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Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

#1
I'm in a weird spot in my career.

On the one hand I'm already pulling a decent salary, $155k, and I've been consistently raising that number in the last couple years.

On the other hand, I recently married, and I might have kid(s) in a few years. My wife is in a low-paying profession. I'm having a hard time imagining how to raise it any further. Specifically, how to double (and then quadruple) it.

I'm a proficient JavaScript engineer working remotely from somewhere cheap, so living expenses aren't a concern for me (as opposed to someone living in, say, SF or NY). I have a good job at a good company, but I would jump for, say, a 20% pay bump. I have done so in the past and it works pretty well.

Do I move to management and forget all about coding? Is this worthwhile? Is there money to be made or will I just loathe myself for making the switch and barely make more money than I am making now?

Do I learn about investments? I read index funds are one way to earn money. There's also private investing, etc. But I know literally zero about any kind of investments.

Any and all advice will be appreciated!

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

#2
One thing you didn't really bring up is the sort of life you want to have. Generally speaking, people think of an annual salary as a end in itself, when it is really a means to an end.

For example, if you are living in a small town and making $155K/year, your standard of living is likely significantly higher than someone making $250K/year but living in Manhattan or Soma.

You can double your salary by finding a second job. You'll make $310K/year, work 80+ hours a week. Would you be willing to do that? I imagine probably not.

Finally, what sort of time frame are you on? Specifically, do you want to make more $$ to pay for kids next year? More vacations? Retirement?

Investing $25K/year in an index fund will increase your long term net worth / assets, but it won't feel like you've increased your salary, especially in a market where you might lose money one or two years in a row. This might also make it impossible to pay for daycare, cribs, and nannies if you're ultimately doing this to pay for kids.

So ask yourself (or tell us): (1) what are your goals / why do you need the money, (2) how much are you willing to sacrifice to get it, and (3) what is your risk profile?

If you want some reading material, this is a good blog: http://www.freedomthirtyfiveblog.com/

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

#3
At a certain point it becomes important to be attached to the revenue of a company. Whether that is by direct billing as a consultant, being a founder, or a principal, or some other position where your income is not dependent on salary.

Moving to management in and of itself does not accomplish this, but in many organizations managers are easier to tie to revenue, which is why it seems that way. At the end of the day, all the people I know that make a lot of money did so by running their own businesses in one form or another.

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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At a certain point it becomes important to be attached to the revenue of a company. Whether that is by direct billing as a consultant, being a founder, or a principal, or some other position where your income is not dependent on salary. Moving to management in and of itself does not accomplish this, but in many organizations managers are easier to tie to revenue, which is why it seems that way. At the end of the day,…

I wish, I wish I could The Economist article on this, but searching online for "how millionaires become rich" and similar things is an awful way to find useful info. :)

However, I remember reading in The Economist that the majority of millionaires (you can debate if that's real wealth or not) become that way through PROFESSIONAL jobs: law, management consulting, investment banking rather than entrepreneurship. Arguably, being a partner at a law firm does tie your success to revenue of the firm, but not sure if that's what you meant.

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post #2

One thing you didn't really bring up is the sort of life you want to have. Generally speaking, people think of an annual salary as a end in itself, when it is really a means to an end. For example, if you are living in a small town and making $155K/year, your standard of living is likely significantly higher than someone making $250K/year but living in Manhattan or Soma. You can double your salary by finding a second…

> You can double your salary by finding a second job. You'll make $310K/year, work 80+ hours a week.

That's not even as easy as you mention it though, is it? If it's a regular office job, that implies you won't be in the office at the same time everyone else is. Which means you won't be getting the job (or will be fired).

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

#7
You won't get a $250k salary as a "proficient JavaScript engineer" living in the Midwest. For that much money one could hire 3-5 reasonable developers a year in the Midwest. Developers in the Bay Area earn six figures because the cost of living is so darn high. If you jump jobs make sure it's for a 20% increase INCLUDING the cost of living difference otherwise you might be losing money (unless you just want a situation change that badly).

In order to earn that much you have to actually prove that you can provide a multiple of that value. That most likely means moving into management in some fashion.

Investments won't help make you money immediately, it's much more a "twenty years later" type of deal.

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

#8
Tactically, for the tech industry:

1. Earning potential is higher in management, if you can make it to a director-level or vp-level position at a major public tech company; take a look at the relevant comp figures for Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc. on Glassdoor.

2. Being a sales rep at an enterprise software company with an aggressive comp plan is another option, if you can do the work. As @kasey_junk noted, this is because sales is compensated on a percent of revenue basis.

You might also look at technical consultancies, or try to become a technical expert for pe/vc firms.

Gaining wealth through investing your own money is hard; even at a market-beating 12% a year, it would take you more than 20 years to turn $100k into $1M. You can make money this way, but you need to manage a fund. The entry point is an analyst role at a hf/pe/vc firm.

I think @kasey_junk is 100% right; ultimately, you need to tie your work to some kind of economic value. We as humans are bad at assessing indirect value creation, so the roles that tend to achieve this tied-to-economic-value comp in practice are [1] sales, [2] investment professionals, [3] substantial equity owners.

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

#10
Do not work a second job. You'll do neither job well and will never move up or be seen as reliable. You'll also burn yourself out.

To make over $250k, the more common path is to make (roughly) what you're making now and get the rest in the form of stock. Real, liquidable, publicly traded stock. So go to places like Facebook, Google, Apple, etc, and they'll be able to pay that much (if you convince them to!).

Even if they don't, a year or three of good performance will put you in that ballpark.

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