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Ask HN: How to stay 'stealth', but get enough user/market feedback?

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Re: Ask HN: How to stay 'stealth', but get enough user/market feedback?

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You surely have a plan from having studied competitors and their weaknesses. You also have a domain-specific network to target after you go public or soon before to start with traction. Finally, a tailored landing page / media pack for the buzz and the early birds.

Re: Ask HN: How to stay 'stealth', but get enough user/market feedback?

#4
Nobody is going to steal your idea. If there is actual risk of this then use patents and copyright to the best of your ability.

Your startup is likely to fail if you are not shouting it from the rooftops. Only established brands are able to pull off stealth effectively.

Re: Ask HN: How to stay 'stealth', but get enough user/market feedback?

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Without a product/market fit or a brand, there's really no super reason to stay stealth unless it's top secret tech, in which case, check out some patents. If your idea is easy to copy, it will be copied when you launch. If you're worth copying, that means there could be a business to build.

Re: Ask HN: How to stay 'stealth', but get enough user/market feedback?

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To me, unless you are reasonably well known, with significant available funds or investor backing then staying stealth is the same as just never starting. Stealth = death for a little or unknown team or founder.

That isn't saying you aren't capable or your idea isn't good, but go with the numbers and don't try to be stealth.

From personal experience, it is generally hard to get people to listen to you about your startup initially. So what you learn is generally you are doing it right when you talk to every person that will give you 30 seconds. That is how you revise your pitch, revise your positioning etc. If you aren't saying it enough then you will fail.

Worse yet, the failure of a "stealth" startup is usually slow because you get focused on product first, client second which is not usually how you will make a software startup successful. You also won't have gotten enough feedback to keep you from spending money in the wrong places, and you won't have enough traction to really convince people you are doing something worth paying attention to.

The couple startups I can think of that were stealth and are doing good now both had reasonably well known founders, significant monetary resources and in at least 1 case had already landed large enterprise clients they were working with before they even started writing code. So they were stealth only in that they were not making announcements or doing the common startup marketing things we all have come to expect. But they weren't stealth in that people knew basically what problems they were trying to solve, and knew they already had clients.

An advisor told me once not to worry about the guy trying to steal your idea, just keep inventing and working harder as someone will always "borrow" your idea or come out with a competing product etc. And competition in the end is good for you if you keep executing. Executing well solves almost all problems.

Re: Ask HN: How to stay 'stealth', but get enough user/market feedback?

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I am nobody but I have had to actively lower my profile. Historically, I tended to attract a lot of attention in a way that goes bad places. I have worked hard to figure out how to get more attention on my work and off of me per se. So, some lessons learned:

You can stay stealth while getting early users by doing one or more the following:

1) Brainstorm a list of ways to frame the concept. Find one that is low key, boring as hell and sounds anything but revolutionary. Just indicate "We slightly tweak (totally ordinary thing)."

2) Use a social medium to reach out to people who seem like they might be interested. Offer them a private invitation in exchange for feedback.

3) Get initial feedback from friends/family/some other limited social circle where you feel comfortable talking to them and you feel they might have some clue what they are talking about.

4) Be as public as you want without actively promoting it, but be careful to not give away the secret sauce part of the idea.

Re: Ask HN: How to stay 'stealth', but get enough user/market feedback?

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To me, unless you are reasonably well known, with significant available funds or investor backing then staying stealth is the same as just never starting. Stealth = death for a little or unknown team or founder. That isn't saying you aren't capable or your idea isn't good, but go with the numbers and don't try to be stealth. From personal experience, it is generally hard to get people to listen to you about your star…

Thanks a lot for your long answer. Really good points!