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Ask HN: What can we do against terrorist attacks, like the one in Paris?

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Ask HN: What can we do against terrorist attacks, like the one in Paris?

#1
Hi, I live in paris, and I've been profoundly hit by the violence of tonight's attacks in Paris ( http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/world/europe/paris-shooting-attacks.html ) I think that as technology makers, we have a power to change the world. So my question is simple : What can we do to prevent these awful acts ?

Thanks. (I trust that the HN community is wise enough to discuss about this matter without violence, racism, etc..)

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#2
The #1 thing you can do is to name the party responsible (once it is known for certain), and to name the ideology that motivates these repeated, ever more brazen attacks.

If this is what everyone thinks it is (but is cautiously tip-toeing around), "extremism" is not specific enough.

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post #3

It is impossible to prevent while only criminals/terrorists have the weapons. An armed citizenry is not so easily victimized.

A recent tweet by Newt Gingrich echoes precisely that:

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/665312487147896832

I understand that this is not the popular opinion around here, but I genuinely can't think of an alternative.

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#5
Little at the moment. A largely open border to the rest of the Eurasian continent allows for an inflow of weapons even if you successfully collected all that are already here. Weak explosive devices can be made with common(ish) materials. Even with tight controls you will still get knife attacks. Just look at Palestine recently.

Tight controls will require a more authoritarian government. I for one don't want that but I expect we will get it and the masses will demand it. Yay for neighbours.

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The only true way to prevent these acts is to eliminate ideological conflicts altogether. Usually, this is done by letting the state pick a winning ideology and suppress those who don't adhere to it. This tends to ensure a level of homogeneity that makes violence obsolete.

A more moderate solution is to allow conflicting ideologies to exist as long as they don't reach extremes. This is usually done through mass surveillance, which supposedly should be able to catch extremists before they act. Sadly, we're still very far from Minority Report's level of accuracy.

Alternatively, we could adopt a more reactive approach which would focus on reducing the gravity of such events rather than trying to prevent them. Namely, law abiding citizens should be able to conceal-carry weapons. Although it couldn't stop all kinds of terrorist attacks, it could very well put a stop to most mass shootings. This assumes an important "good" to "bad" people ratio (where "good" is defined by the majority and/or by the state).

Basically, live in a society that's xenophobic and armed.

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post #3

It is impossible to prevent while only criminals/terrorists have the weapons. An armed citizenry is not so easily victimized.

A recent tweet by Newt Gingrich echoes precisely that: https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/665312487147896832 I understand that this is not the popular opinion around here, but I genuinely can't think of an alternative.

I call bullshit on that. Tell me one theater/school/whatever attack in the States that has been foiled by armed citizens.

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post #3

It is impossible to prevent while only criminals/terrorists have the weapons. An armed citizenry is not so easily victimized.

A recent tweet by Newt Gingrich echoes precisely that: https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/665312487147896832 I understand that this is not the popular opinion around here, but I genuinely can't think of an alternative.

Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit that the timing of that politically-charged tweet was in incredibly poor taste.

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The only true way to prevent these acts is to eliminate ideological conflicts altogether. Usually, this is done by letting the state pick a winning ideology and suppress those who don't adhere to it. This tends to ensure a level of homogeneity that makes violence obsolete. A more moderate solution is to allow conflicting ideologies to exist as long as they don't reach extremes. This is usually done through mass surve…

> Namely, law abiding citizens should be able to conceal-carry weapons. Although it couldn't stop all kinds of terrorist attacks, it could very well put a stop to most mass shootings.

Here we go again...

When I read this, in my head, this analogy comes to mind: "We could stop bombings by allowing all citizens to carry concealed bombs [to use in self-defense]."

Now obviously that is an absurd analogy, but it mirrors a lot of what you're suggesting: fight a dangerous weapon with another dangerous weapon, potentially put bystanders in harm's way, make it even harder to track/identify the good from bad, make it easier to obtain weapons.

The US has more mass killings than any other western nation, yet they also have concealed carry, clearly something isn't working here. Is the solution really "more guns, more guns?"

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#10

The only true way to prevent these acts is to eliminate ideological conflicts altogether. Usually, this is done by letting the state pick a winning ideology and suppress those who don't adhere to it. This tends to ensure a level of homogeneity that makes violence obsolete. A more moderate solution is to allow conflicting ideologies to exist as long as they don't reach extremes. This is usually done through mass surve…

No, having guns won't help one bit. Just name one attack in the States that has been foiled by a citizen.

What will happen unfortunately is that the surveillance measures will increase exponentially, normal citizens will throw privacy out the window, terror attacks will still happen.

It's the world we live in.

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