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Ask HN: Leaving as founder, what happens with equity?

#1
I'm leaving a startup I founded due to disagreements over team/strategy. I worked on it for about half a year.

When we founded the company, there was prior work done, so we vested some equity up front to acknowledge that. Since that time, we've pivoted and also recently added team members. Now that I am leaving, the other founders are asking me to return some/most/all of the equity that was vested up front.

Is this reasonable? Do I have any obligation to return/surrender the vested equity?

Additionally, when I voiced objections to returning the vested equity, they brought up the fact that they may start a new company on the same idea and reset the entire equity metrics altogether. Is this common?

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#2
I am no expert but I suppose if they start new company (and they are successful) you could sue them. The prior work that was justification for the vesting was market-tested by the startup. The result was negative but I suppose your share was not conditioned like this. Also the pivot happened while you were still part of the company, right? In general I would say the best option for both sides is to reach a consensus somewhere in the middle.

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#3
You receive the equity not for being around on the day the decision to found a company was taken, but for being around from day 1 until the company stops being a startup. (Well, some of the equity may also be for other reasons.)

The other founders expect you to be around during that period. One commits in part because the others do.

When you leave earlier, you should estimate how much of the period is left and talk to the others about the portion of equity that corresponds to that period — how big it is and how you can use it for the betterment of the company. Are some new people taking over what you would have done? Perhaps they should get some of the equity, on fair terms?

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#4
Don't company Articles of Association (or the local equivalent) usually have clauses that govern these situations - shotgun clauses or similar?

However, my main recommendation - talk to a lawyer, the trick is finding a lawyer who actually knows about this stuff at the right level.

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#6
What stage the company is in? If it's too early stage, I don't think anyone can predict the success and it might end up as just another failed startup. Remember, the startup is more about execution. I would suggest to contact a lawyer to get any credible advise on it.

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#7
The equity is vested, you own it. You have no obligation to return or surrender it or even sell it. This is why companies have vesting schedules. Additionally, starting a new company with the same idea with the same team would most likely open them up to legal liability. The only thing to remember is that the equity is only valuable if the company succeeds, so it may be worth compromising by having them buy you out, or giving the company an option to buy you out at the next funding round.

Do yourself a favor and talk to a startup lawyer (one that's not used by any members of your team). S/he will be able to explore your options with you and help you decide on a good course of action.

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#8
Keep your equity, you don't give back vested equity for nothing(trade it by all means for something you think worthwhile).

As was already said you could sue if they create another company.

Finally go talk to a good lawyer(pay, lots if you have to). That is probably the most useful advice you'll get on here.

Your co-founders are not your friends now and will screw you over if they think they can get away with it.

Maybe you could get a lawyer to write a scary letter on what would happen if they startup another company to convince them otherwise.

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#9
The correct thing to happen in this scenario is for the other founders to buy out your share based on today's valuation (which should be modest but accurate according to what you've been telling investors). Anything else will involve a lot of lawyers and grief.

If they walk away and start their own company, they're handing control of this company to you along with all its investment and property, and that no-poaching clause in your contract says they can't hire away your team. I don't think they want to do that.

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#10
post #3

You receive the equity not for being around on the day the decision to found a company was taken, but for being around from day 1 until the company stops being a startup. (Well, some of the equity may also be for other reasons.) The other founders expect you to be around during that period. One commits in part because the others do. When you leave earlier, you should estimate how much of the period is left and talk t…

It sounds like this consideration was already made. Only some of his equity was fully vested up front to reflect prior work - presumably the remainder of his equity was vested on a schedule (which at half a year he'd be entitled to none of most likely).

If the above is true, then it would be inappropriate to re-examine what amount of equity is fair.

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