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Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#991

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The last time I had resumes to look at it was a few years ago, pre-gpt. We had pretty a specific hard requirement (elixir experience), and easily 95% of the resumes had no mention of it. So I don't know if I'd blame artificial intelligence, more like natural stupidity. [edit] And by stupidity I mean people who just spam every job they see trying to get a hit. Like what were you planning to do if you got the job?

Learn Elixir? It's just a programming language...

I don't pay people for that. Job description called for at least 3 years' experience, which I should've added to my post.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#992
Supply simply far exceeds demand. Unless your highly specialized, connected, lucky or perceived as a “James Bond”, the employment market is dire.

This is the inevitable consequence of too many entrants into the market, past over-hiring, and a profession where experience doesn’t count and your competing against ever more newcomers with a high IQ, less expectations, and a better ability to “leetcode” and memorize those algorithms and data structures.

Your prospective employers probably get 200 resumes or more for every general position, but of course “we’re hiring” (sic).

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#993

I hate to say this, stop applying. Find a recruiter on LinkedIn. This is what it has come to. There are thousands of resumes being sent at my company, yet the recruiter can't find anyone. Why? Because no one is applying through her link. The regular resume channel is reserved for bots at this point. Contact a person and you have more chances.

I hate to say this, but many recruiters who contact me seem to reside and work from India. I get all kinds of recruiter attention, including unsolicited emails, calls, and texts, but most of them seem to be looking for a relationship where I do the work, and they subcontract with a subcontractor who's subcontracting for another contract for a major firm.

It's basically spam at this point. How can we "stand out" without getting bombarded with low-quality "proposals"?

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#994

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What do you mean "put something catchy in there?"

I wish I knew, currently rolling the dice on going back to school for computational neuroscience, and if tech doesn't bite on that then there's always a masters in psychology as a backup. Or just bite the bullet and remortgage the house for a nice safe MD.

What kind of work can you do with a masters in psych?

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#995

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Yep they could but companies usually don't do it. I've done it. OOP is OOP, there are only different flavors. I wonder to what extent an OOP person would be able to do a Haskell job (or a similar functional language).

Anyone can learn a language. The .Net framework and the related ecosystem is huge. I’ve done front end work maybe a decade ago, I still do backend JavaScript and I know the basics of web technologies. But anyone would be a fool to hire me if they wanted a front end developer. Even if I knew Java that doesn’t mean I could just jump in and start doing Android development.

I remember jumping in and doing Spring Boot. I knew Java. It went well, it helped that I knew about NodeJS and Django.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#996

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Most companies can barely stay solvent let alone engineer a conspiracy. I admit there was wage collusion in the past but I reckon that is as coordinated as it gets. We need a new boom of startups figuring how to do useful stuff with computers without resorting to overhiring on success.

The era of cheap money is over and without it we wont see another startup boom.

Exactly. Now VCs will be looking at profitable startups instead of startups that are highly dependent on raising money every month and make little to no revenue to cover the inflated salaries.

Either that or the salaries will be going down.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#997

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> Perks. We often meet directly with recruiters in person, and they have expense accounts and take us for lunch/drinks we don't have to pay for. This makes us want to keep using them over direct applications (yes recruiters, this 100% works, we won't use you if you're shit regardless but we'll 100% entertain looking at your candidates if you take us for lunch or drinks - check compliance limits before suggesting a ve…

I'm paid very well but when a recruiter invited me this year to watch the FA Cup Final in their box at Wembley I obviously went.

This is a pretty expensive present not a free lunch. Please note if you work for a regulated industry you may be liable to report this as well and may even price-wise be well above your allowance

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#998
Market got worse definitely. That's also one of the reasons we have created https://careera.io/ to address all of the usual problems during job seeking and recruitment, like: applying hundreds limes to different companies manually, digging thru hundreds of applicants' CVs by recruiters, ghosting and all types of bias (race, religion, age, you name it..).

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

#999
I was laid off in March, 2023, a victim of the startup shakeout after the SVG banking collapse. A year previous, I had a small bidding war for my services. When I was let go this March, it was in the midst of the Facebook and Amazon layoffs.

It was terrible. The market had flipped 180 degrees away from where it was in 2022. I did not, however, have problems getting interviews. I got lots of them. I also got ghosted regularly after third and fourth interviews as the companies interviewed dozens of candidates looking for the very best deal they could find.

Now, for some perspective, I am a 30 year veteran of the IT industry, with well over 20 years of programming experience under my belt. You guessed it, that means I'm in my mid-50s. Did I run across ageism in my search? Not overt, but undoubtedly, yes.

Were companies overwhelmed by the number of applicants? Unquestionably. I had one recruiter tell me they had over 150 applicants for a single programming job, and they planned to only talk to 10% of them. 10% is still a LOT of interviews to find the right candidate.

So yes, the job market is bad, although not for traditional reasons. The economy seems to be chugging along, even though it's rumored to have one foot on a banana peel. Companies are hiring. But there's a lot of competition out there for posts, and companies have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to the number of candidates to choose from. They don't know how to act.

So if your resume isn't in as-expected format, forget it. If your interviewing skills reveal you're an introvert with poor social skills, forget it. If you don't respond quickly and professionally to every serious inquiry, forget it. If you're not making your job search a 3-5 hour DAILY effort, forget it.

In other words, you have to bring your A-game right now, where you might have gotten by in previous years with just having good coding skills and a halfway decent resume.

The good news is that everyone can bring their A-game with some practice and effort. I got hired after two months. It was hard-- gut-wrenching, even -- but after dozens of interviews I finally landed a good job that met my requirements.

If you are working right now and you aren't saving your money for a rainy day, you're being foolish. Fortunately, I had been saving, and my bank account wasn't destroyed. I feel bad for people in this market who don't have savings. Be prepared to weather a six month outage. And keep upskilling. Complacency will get you laid off.

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