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Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#971

I like how you know this comment is in poor taste, and posted it anyways.

That's a non sequitur and rude. Please don't be rude in comments on HN.

Edit: I just refreshed my memory of what's going on with your comments and it's not ok. As we've explained to you before, your attacks on one specific organization (it's obvious which one, but it doesn't matter which one it is) go to such an extreme that they long ago crossed into trolling. We asked you to stop; since you either can't or won't, we've banned your account. I hesitate to, because it exposes us to the criticism some people love to make, that we're protecting interest X or interest Y. But you've so clearly been abusing HN that I don't see what choice we have. This site is for thoughtful conversation, not tendentious vendettas.

As it happens, we banned another user some time ago for doing the same thing about the same organization, only they were promoting it instead of attacking it. Either way it's not ok.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13758088 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#972

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Cloud is the Betamax of cloud... while it might be technically superior it's not the only factor to consider. :)

What other factors make it doomed for failure like betamax?

I wouldn't say that it's doomed to failure but I do think it has a lot of ground to cover to catch-up. Google has a lot of great technology like TensorFlow, Kubernetes, and Go that will keep them relevant.

In support of my flippant remark I see three indicators that hold parallels to Betamax with detail to follow. I qualify that it is largely informed by my own anecdotal experience. Specifically by objections and responses that I've received/observed while myself and peers have proposed or implemented cloud adoption at various companies.

Indicators

1. market share. 2. proprietary tech stack. 3. technical superiority syndrome.

Detail

1. Currently AWS has a major lead, then Azure, then Google. The implication is that market share translates to mindshare, which in turn yields blog articles, OSS libraries/tools, etc. This becomes a virtuous cycle.

For .NET shops that marketshare will tend to favour Azure on the premise that MS knows best.

2. Some of Google's technology stack has a learning curve that is unique to Google. Take GAE as an example and compare to AWS's nearest equivalent Beanstalk (or Heroku). Beanstalk requires few if any changes to an existing application whereas GAE requires that you do it the App Engine way. It might provide a number of benefits, but it's invasive. Containers are shifting the requirement, however not everyone is in a position or has the desire to start with containers on day 1.

Further Google Cloud's project oriented approach while not a bad organisation mechanism detracts from learning. If you assume the premise that exploration is part of learning it forces the user to hold two items in their head: their objective and Google Clouds imposed objective.

AWS on the other hand generally provides defaults that allow you to launch resources almost immediately after sign-up. Google's approach is better for long-term support, maintenance and organisation but the user needs to have the maturity to understand that benefit.

3. It may be technically superior but that statement in of itself is divisive and can shudder some away. It is not enough to simply be technically superior and from my observation the statements tend to originate from X/Googlers.

A number of people will latch onto feature set (for beta, number of films available was a factor). The absence of features will often discount a choice out of the gate (even if those features are irrelevant) as an example:

- regional coverage: AWS - 15 regions/~38 zones Azure - 36 regions/zones Google - 6 regions/18 zones

- partially/fully managed services: AWS is continually growing these, at a level that seems to outpace competitors.

- Outwardly Google appears to tackle the "hard problems" with technically superior solutions (e.g. TensorFlow, BigQuery) but often appears to neglect the "boring" problems a number of companies want as well (e.g. Cloud VDI's, SnowBall, etc).

- Some areas seem to be ossified due to tight coupling (e.g. servlet 3.0 and python support in GAE).

Summary

There is no silver bullet solution. Every provider will have an outage at some point and this could be a big reason that GCE won't be knocked out of the game. I also think Google is working really hard to build community and mindshare. I don't have a crystal ball so only time will tell what happens but technical superiority has rarely been the sole reason that drives adoption.

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#973
post #795

Thank god I checked HN. I was driving myself crazy last half hour debugging a change to S3 uploads that I JUST pushed to production. Reminds me of the time my dad had an electrician come to work on something minor in his house. Suddenly power went out to the whole house, electrician couldn't figure out why for hours. Finally they realized this was the big east coast blackout!

Disadvantage of being in the detail I guess. My thinking was Imgur seems broken today >>> Something major on the intertubes must be fk'd.

Precisely how I discovered it. Imgur down. Imgur is almost like a piece of critical Internet infrastructure. That + some other site misbehaving tipped me off that something very wrong is happening...

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#975
post #217

Mass outage like this is exactly one of the things we are looking to avoid by building a decentralized storage grid with Sia. Sia are immune to situations like this because data is stored redundantly across dozens of servers around the world that are all running on different, unique configurations. Furthermore, there's no single central point of control on the Sia network. Sia is still under heavy development, but it…

An occasional relevant reference to one's own work is fine on HN, but you've crossed into what this community considers spam, both by doing it too often and by doing it in off-topic places. That will eventually get your account and site banned, so please stop overdoing it, especially if your work is actually the kind of thing the community would find interesting in appropriate doses and places.

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#976
post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess their bizarre thinking is something along the lines of: "unless we have proof that noone can access the service, we won't change the indicator from green to yellow. Seriously: I don't understand why you guys stay with AWS.

Because you perceive public clouds only as virtual machine providers, that you can replace with other provider in two days. A detailed cloud migration consists of replacing some parts of your software to use managed services provided by a specific cloud provider, and AWS is still has the best service offerings IMHO. When you use these services carefully also you will see that AWS is very cheap and reliable enough. Ou…

Sorry for endless number of typos and mistakes. Obviously I was sleepy while I was writing this.

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#977

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Cloud is the Betamax of cloud... while it might be technically superior it's not the only factor to consider. :)

you don't comment for 4 years and THAT'S the comment you choose to return with?

Yep, replace "compiling" with "S3 recovery" in the following XKCD - https://xkcd.com/303/

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

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post #735

Disclosure: I work on Google Cloud. Apologies if you find this to be in poor taste, but GCS directly supports the S3 XML API (including v4): https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/interoperability and has easy to use multi-regional support at a fraction of the cost of what it would take on AWS. I directly point my NAS box at home to GCS instead of S3 (sadly having to modify the little PHP client code to point it to st…

How about giving a timeline of when Australia will be launching? I see you're hiring staff, and have a "sometime 2017" goal on the site, but how about a date estimate? :)

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#979
post #566

From Amazon: https://twitter.com/awscloud/status/836656664635846656 The dashboard not changing color is related to S3 issue. See the banner at the top of the dashboard for updates. So it's not just a joke... S3 being down actually breaks its own status page!

For this kind of page it might be best for them to use a data URI image to remove as many external resources as possible.

I was thinking they should host the little green check mark icons on s3.

Re: Ask HN: Is S3 down?

#980
post #735

Disclosure: I work on Google Cloud. Apologies if you find this to be in poor taste, but GCS directly supports the S3 XML API (including v4): https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/interoperability and has easy to use multi-regional support at a fraction of the cost of what it would take on AWS. I directly point my NAS box at home to GCS instead of S3 (sadly having to modify the little PHP client code to point it to st…

Apologies if this is too much off-topic, but I want to share an anecdote of some some serious problems we had with GCS and why I'd be careful to trust them with critical services: Our production Cloud SQL started throwing errors that we could not write anything to the database. We have Gold support, so quickly created a ticket. While there was a quick reply, it took a total of 21+ hours of downtime to get the issue f…

That isn't just a Google issue though. You'd have had the exact same trouble with AWS/RDS if you're running with no replica. The lack of filesystem access is a security "feature" for both. If you have no HA setup then you have no recourse but to restore to a new server from backup, or wait for your cloud provider to fix it.
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