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Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the opposite of what GP wants. N.K. Jemisin does not write page turners. He's looking for compulsive schlock at the Edgar Rice Burroughs end of the spectrum.

“She.” J. K. Jemisin is a woman (of color). I had no idea, myself, until after I had read The Broken Earth series, and wanted to find out more about the author. I did enjoy her stuff, but it isn’t what I’d want on my Desert Island list.

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Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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"The best book I've ever read was Atlas Shrugged in 8th grade. Changed my life." Not because I remember anything about it, or believe anything it espouses, or even like it all that much, but because it's a useful filter for obnoxious people in meatspace. If someone I don't know too well asks me what my favorite book is, I say Atlas Shrugged. If they react inappropriately, I'll be cordial and treat them with respect,…

I think your technique is working because a lot of people got triggered by your friend test. I kind of love it.

Yeah, I am totally going to steal it.

I have a twisted collection of semi contradictory beliefs that I feel fairly strongly about and make it so I don't really fit in with right wing, left wing, or centrists, though I am really accepting of other people with opposing viewpoints. This failure to fit well in a bucket has caused the loss of quite a few friends, and so having a filter for people who can't tolerate opposing viewpoints is pretty useful.

Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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Socialism by Ludwig von Mises (1930s)

As a Systems Engineer, I've always been fascinated by systems both for computation and involving people. Concepts in business process design/implementation have quite the overlap with automation, and this book provides one of the best discussions I've seen, where its first properly defining the problem, and then moving on to failure modes via a priori reasoning (which is fairly conservative) in relation to centralized hierarchical systems, or bureaucracies.

The title aside, the structural analysis is quite impressive and in the process also explains the basis for many failures within bureaucracies involving people, including corruption, and trends concentrating staff production value towards a least common denominator (negative production value), through social coercion, within the institutions.

This book arguably is a very dense read though, and requires an old dictionary (from around the same time). Many of the words have changed meanings since the writing (towards more ambiguity and more contradiction).

It comes from a time where hyper-rationalism and its principles were followed and respected, and falsehoods and liars ignored or rejected outright; something we can use more of today.

The book also is useful in describing why Socialism, and its various forms is a failed system, and indirectly but inevitably fails in ways that allow no accountability through deceit, and how those supporting and promoting such systems are both supporting their own destruction as well as others (incl family, friends etc).

The systems discussed are safety-critical systems, and its not hard to reason that when you support a system that will inevitably fail (causing death/harm), where you can't transition off the system or know beforehand, then you promote and support the given outcome. Indirect, but still rational and principled.

Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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My 3 favorite non-fiction books are:

* Mindset by Carol S. Dweck

* Innovating: A Doer's Manifesto for Starting from a Hunch, Prototyping Problems, Scaling Up, and Learning to Be Productively Wrong by Luis Perez-Breva

* Fall In Love with the Problem, Not the Solution: A Handbook for Entrepeneurs by Uri Levine

These three books really changed my viewpoint and I've been rereading them every year.

Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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These threads often end up, with everyone trying to prove they are literary scholars. I prefer junky fantasy books. I'm really too old and cynical to give a damn what y'all think of me. I probably liked David Edding's Belgariad series, along with the Mallorean series, the most. I reread them, regularly, and go through all ten books, in a couple of weeks. They are an easy read. Also, Glen Cook's Black Company books ar…

Sometimes escape is just what people need, especially when they work in high stakes professions. The series was written well, though there were parts that were unbelievable, and the author's writing style was geared more towards children. If you look closely at his writing he often makes use of a technique at the time using double/synonym adjectives to describe important details. Kids pick the one they know, while reading making it more cohesive, quite subtle.

I tend to not like stories where the crux of the plot is a god/wizard did it but that is more personal preference. I'm a big fan of character development and growth through struggle. Superman/Thrice Blessed Man stories don't really appeal.

Personally I thought the Blue-rose Saga/Sparhawk series was much better, and had characters you weren't sure you liked at first (gritty han-shot first types).

Ever read Echoes of the Great Song (bit of a one-hit wonder from the author)?

Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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These threads often end up, with everyone trying to prove they are literary scholars. I prefer junky fantasy books. I'm really too old and cynical to give a damn what y'all think of me. I probably liked David Edding's Belgariad series, along with the Mallorean series, the most. I reread them, regularly, and go through all ten books, in a couple of weeks. They are an easy read. Also, Glen Cook's Black Company books ar…

Scifi here but the most embarrassing one I have to admit to loving is the stainless steel rat series by Harry Harrison.

There were a lot of scifi mass market paperback titles back in the day where unless you know the exact title and author its lost to time.

There was this one scifi book I've been trying to find forever but no records (going on several decades now).

Two main characters were astronauts that crash landed on a earth-like planet with civilization in the middle ages. One became a trader, the other became leader of a militant order, where they had special techniques/knowledge that let them do amazing physical feats like hang by their fingertips on the edge of cliffs for several days.

Maybe someone knows it.

Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Wealth of Nations surprising for a modern reader? My (perhaps incorrect) intuition is that these sorts of old foundational books tend not to be too surprising because their ideas have permeated society already, which is why I’m curious to hear your take.

> How is Wealth of Nations surprising for a modern reader? Most people haven't read it, and tend to only reference things like "invisible hand", and skim/skip over a lot of Smith's 'moralizing'. His book before Wealth was after all The Theory of Moral Sentiments : * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_Moral_Sentiments If you don't want to read Ye Olde English, perhaps see Glory Liu's book Adam Smith’s America…

Quite a number of us have read Adam Smith.

You don't draw too much of a distinction, but Moral Philosophy and Economics are two distinct and separable subjects. Comparing them is comparing apples to oranges.

The former lies solely within the mind and in ones own choices, where one is free to choose, whereas the latter is largely based in observation of external dynamics where continued survival is contingent upon said system.

Additionally, at the time of writing there were many observations made, and the process of boiling down to correct principles is an iterative process. What few seem to realize is Adam Smith's Labor Value Theorem was foundationally flawed (but everything else had great impact), LVT was disproven later (Subjective Value Theorem by Carl Menger iirc), but is still referenced and in use today by Marxists and other related groups.

To contradict that last wall of text, who decides what constitutes harm? What definition is being used for this? If one does not properly define what they mean, they can be right (in their head) because definitions are fluid and contradictory encompassing all possible circumstances while having absolutely no meaning.

Many people call these types of communications insanity or madness because they provide no value or benefit. These are also common talking points/structures found in Socialist and Communist propaganda which don't represent the entirety of the subject or authors, let alone in a rationally principled way.

Re: Ask HN: What's the "best" book you've ever read?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a similar vein, when I first got an e-reader I downloaded the old English version of Adam Smiths The Wealth of Nations. It was eye opening. While I’ve forgotten a large amount of the detail the overall themes are embedded in my mind.

How is Wealth of Nations surprising for a modern reader? My (perhaps incorrect) intuition is that these sorts of old foundational books tend not to be too surprising because their ideas have permeated society already, which is why I’m curious to hear your take.

The biggest benefit from this book is it makes a large number of observations of the time period which is then distilled into rational first principles which can be used by others and makes it available in an easily read format.

The observations can also be correlated with subsequent changes to give us a better understanding of how things work and progressed, as well as potentially destructive changes we've made moving forward to our systems of organization.

The transition to Fiat currency, or taxation for example, I have no doubt, will eventually provoke a study and comparison as to why inflationary currencies should never be adopted, or only with severe restrictions.

There are many concepts found in the book which are correct, there are several which are also very flawed and dated. Labor Value Theorem for example has been rigorously disproven as a viable framework through Menger, Hayek, and Mises (iirc).

A society which has no education on these subjects is ill equipped to have to direct policy, or hold policy makers accountable for destructive actions (which may take years, decades, or sometimes half a century, in their cyclical actions).

The first required step to correcting a problem is in being alerted to the fact that there is a problem, and societally we've really screwed this up with the advent of social media (many:1 platforms that drown out useful signals).

Feedback systems that can no longer respond to correct stimulus are broken systems just waiting for the right circumstances for calamity.

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