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Re: Ask HN: What are the viable alternatives to DuckDuckGo?

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Post by esseph »

cyanregiment wrote: post #88
esseph wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, let me be more obvious. I am not pointing to a solution, but a pointer to the solution. Showing what is possible. The solution is pulling/parsing the CT logs yourself.

If you’re talking about SSL cert logs, that excludes a ton of web content. And you haven’t shown me that you can even get all those for free anyway

> If you’re talking about SSL cert logs, that excludes a ton of web content.

I guess it depends on what you are looking for?

It's far less brute force than trying to randomly generate hostnames and then do lookups, and your solution also misses everything that is just random alphanumeric combinations, of which there are tons.

> And you haven’t shown me that you can even get all those for free anyway

Free? Maybe.

Re: Ask HN: What are the viable alternatives to DuckDuckGo?

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Post by cyanregiment »

esseph wrote: post #91
cyanregiment wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re talking about SSL cert logs, that excludes a ton of web content. And you haven’t shown me that you can even get all those for free anyway

> If you’re talking about SSL cert logs, that excludes a ton of web content. I guess it depends on what you are looking for? It's far less brute force than trying to randomly generate hostnames and then do lookups, and your solution also misses everything that is just random alphanumeric combinations, of which there are tons. > And you haven’t shown me that you can even get all those for free anyway Free? Maybe.

Yeah, but because it's an LLM it makes very good guesses. It's not so random, it's seen URLs in training data.

One of the points of the experiment was to see how much of a shortcut using an LLM could give me, as the developer.

I've done other LLM search experiments where I basically just prompt to "predict 25 search results for this query" and it's surprisingly good. You can also run a check to verify the URLs to splice hallucinations out of the result, but yeah, LLM is already doing a lot of the work for search.

Re: Ask HN: What are the viable alternatives to DuckDuckGo?

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Post by rdmuser »

SyneRyder wrote: post #69
erelong wrote: post #42

https://search.brave.com other things that came up in a search not mentioned in post yet (that I have heard of before): mojeek or yacy - are these any good? list of searx instances (I've used some of these a while ago but not recently so idk of their quality currently): https://searx.space/

Mojeek is okay, but I think I'd struggle to use it as my primary search. I do include it in my personal metasearch results though, and find it worth paying for their API access (at my usage it's only about $20/year). If a page shows up in both Brave & Mojeek, it's probably a good one. I thought I'd tried Yacy, but apparently not - it's a distributed search. SearX is by asciimoo, the same person who has moved on to ma…

Seirdy pretty regularly updates that list so a lot of it isn't from 2021. Currently the last update happened about a year ago.

Re: Ask HN: What are the viable alternatives to DuckDuckGo?

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Post by SyneRyder »

rdmuser wrote: post #94
SyneRyder wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mojeek is okay, but I think I'd struggle to use it as my primary search. I do include it in my personal metasearch results though, and find it worth paying for their API access (at my usage it's only about $20/year). If a page shows up in both Brave & Mojeek, it's probably a good one. I thought I'd tried Yacy, but apparently not - it's a distributed search. SearX is by asciimoo, the same person who has moved on to ma…

Seirdy pretty regularly updates that list so a lot of it isn't from 2021. Currently the last update happened about a year ago.

Ahh, I see the "last updated" line and the Changelog now! I must have been having a really fuzzy brain day. Thanks for pointing that out!

Re: Ask HN: What are the viable alternatives to DuckDuckGo?

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Post by cachius »

esseph wrote: post #45
cachius wrote: post #25

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The name collision with the browser is a bit unfortunate. If you set it to default search engine in Chrome on mobile, 'Search with Brave' is very ambiguous!

Same company

Sure, and one product is the browser, the other is search :-/ @BrendanEich
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