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Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by fragmede »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #47
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #38

Mostly bitching to corporate IT to make it possible to use alternative tools and workflows. Not kidding, that’s the main blocker. We have the DevOps knowledge on our team to go to containers, prepackaged dev environments, etc. But corporate cyber tends to respond to our requests to discuss cyber policy and escalate via proper channels with “sorry that’s against policy”. This is not my experience at one company but mu…

3rd party trust is not a joke. Why should they drop what they're doing to go and audit a new critical vendor?

Because the old vendor started charging 10x the price

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by ohdeardear »

Nux wrote: post #70

Microsoft gaining the most I reckon. Kind of sad seeing businesses getting screwed by closed source proprietary software, then making the same choices all over again. Nutanix also seeing huge demand. Not everyone is repeating their mistakes, with Proxmox and Xcp-ng seeing huge new level of business, as well, which is nice. I'm part of the Apache CloudStack project and that too is seeing unparalleled levels of demand.…

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Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by ohdeardear »

xd1936 wrote: post #79

Non-Profit Liberal Arts Higher Ed here. Trying to move to the Azure Hybrid Cloud as fast as possible. Going to have to eat one more year of 170% price hike in our current VMware contract. Heard from a peer school on the east coast that had to sign a 600% hike in their most recent contract. Absolutely evil.

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Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by kaliszad »

sgt wrote: post #6
INTPenis wrote: post #4

This is a hot topic among some of my nerdier SME friends, and our conclusion is that the major players are HPE and Nutanix. At least from our perspective over here in Sweden. HPE did a big brain move to support multiple hypervisor backends with their own frontend. The only way to go forward imho. I'm using Proxmox at my current $dayjob, and we're quite happy with it. I come from a big VMware shop and I think most bus…

Proxmox is about to miss their window of opportunity here. They are uniquely positioned to take on VMWare, but their outfit seems like a fairly tiny and conservative company with zero ambition to take on the world, so to speak.

You can have a look at XCP-ng. They have the expertise and it's originally a fork of Citrix XenServer however they are completely on their own feet now delivering some interesting advancements.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by ohdeardear »

neoCrimeLabs wrote: post #82

We're driving as many apps as possible to containers, and replacing most of our virtual infrastructure with Talos Linux [1] which is a reasonably hardened OS dedicated to Kubernetes hosting. I strongly recommend using the terraform provider to help manage at scale. The docs seem a little sparse for beginners, but if you already know kubernetes concepts, it's pretty easy to pick up. If you know flux style gitups talhe…

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Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by SteveNuts »

MaKey wrote: post #84
stego-tech wrote: post #83

At PriorCo, I did a slide deck presentation of our options at the time (2023/2024) and pitched essentially three pathways: stay on VMware, move to Apache Cloudstack, or move to Nutanix. The deck was roundly ignored in favor of a lift-and-shift to AWS for remaining infrastructure. If I were running the migration, my preferred pathway would’ve been to Apache Cloudstack. We had the expertise to pull it off, and it would…

What's the reason for not considering Proxmox?

They seriously need to invest in a well engineered multi node cluster filesystem. VMFS made VMware into the behemoth it is.

Without that your options for HA shared storage is Ceph (which proxmox makes decently easy to run), or NFS.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by kaliszad »

Spooky23 wrote: post #78
technion wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft seems perfectly capable of advertising 24/7 support whilst never managing to call back within 24 hours on business crippling sev1 tickets. Just look at how often someone on /r/sysadmin is shocked to find this is the norm. I know thst youre right about the wording turning off orgs but I do wonder when the biggest enterprise organisation can barely offer it in practice what really is the show stopper for busi…

They suck balls. The trap is you need Microsoft support training & strategy. If you buy unified and open a sev a, they just fuck around and assign an engineer from Antartica who works from 3AM-6:20AM Mongolian time, then reassign at 6:19AM to dude in Japan to reset their 2 hour SLA for the incident manager. In general, if you are big, you're better off buying Premier from a partner, and declaring a crit sit. Many iss…

Anyone who is really committed to their infrastructure will not build it on top of highly proprietary stuff where you have 0 visibility into what's actually happening so you can only hope that somebody fixes it sustainably, in a reasonable time frame and permanently.

With open source, if you have the right people, you can find/ bisect down to the commit and function where the problem is exactly, which speeds up the remedy immensely. We have done such a thing with backup restores from the Proxmox Backup Server. The patches are now in Proxmox VE 9.0 because the low hanging fruit problem was actually with the client code not the Proxmox Backup Server.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by jusims »

theossuary wrote: post #3
that_lurker wrote: post #2

Will be interesting to see if large organizations move to Proxmox

I don't think Proxmox is anywhere near ready for that sort of shift. It's interesting what a big hole in the market VMWare is leaving and nothing quite fills it. OpenStack is the closest, but way more complicated than VMWare, and doesn't work at all for smaller deployments.

Former VMware service provider here. We switched about 1,000 VMs from VMware to Proxmox VE a couple years back, and it's been one of our best moves. We run Proxmox hyper-converged now, love the built-in VM firewalls, solid backups with PBS, and Ceph storage. The paid subscription gives us reliable updates, too.

Hardware requirements for Proxmox are way more flexible (and cheaper) than VMware, in our experience. Plus, more MSPs are jumping on the Proxmox train, so the support scene is growing fast.

Proxmox isn’t a perfect VMware clone, but it covers a lot of ground for service providers or mid-sized setups that want reliability, flexibility, and lower costs.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Post by kaliszad »

ohdeardear wrote: post #90
garganzol wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 2 cents: Proxmox is too rigid. For example: 1. Proxmox cannot even join a network using DHCP requiring manual IP configuration. 2. Disk encryption is a hell instead of checkbox in installer 3. Wi-Fi - no luck (rarely used for real servers, but frequently for r&d racks) Of course, it is a Debian core underneath and a lot of things are possible given enough time and persistence, but other solutions have them out of…

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If you were more polite, you could have a good entry to the discussion.

Yes, Proxmox is built on Debian so anything Debian can do Proxmox VE can mostly do as well without major issues.

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