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Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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You can get an extremely shitty one for 20 dollars https://www.instructables.com/Flea-Scope-18-Msps-13-BoM-WebU... but when you are just starting its pretty cool!

The cheapies are less useful for debugging real problems, due to their bad UI and severe limitations. A good, fast reacting multimeter is likely better thing to get than a cheap scope. That said the cheapies might be usable for debugging audio stuff.

I think that's probably true, but for learning stuff I think an oscilloscope is way better than a multi-meter and the cost is prohibitive so I love the flea scope to give to noobs.

I am also very much in the belief system that you should not buy an expensive tool before you are frustrated with a cheap one, most of the time people get into random hobbies and bow out six months later with way too much crap on their hands, and often time tools are more for show than for real world use.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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I believe Youtube videos are a great resource for learning this! I picked up electronics and computer/gpu repair as a hobby over the pandemic lockdowns. A cheap multimeter and a cheap soldering iron/hot air station combo will get you very far in the hobby. I enjoy these channels: MyMateVince (a guy who fixes many useful household items): https://www.youtube.com/user/mymatevince StezStixFix: https://www.youtube.com/@S…

Big Clive, too. https://youtube.com/@bigclivedotcom

He buys cheap crap, takes it apart, and usually infers a schematic. He also admires or critiques the designs. After a while you'll notice patterns.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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Louis Rossmann’s electronics guide was the first time these concepts truly clicked for me: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkVbIsAWN2ltOWmriIdOc5Cti... Apart from that, just fix broken stuff. Practice like any other skill, like others have said. Like decide what skills to learn based on what’s broken. Need to solder something together? Buy the soldering iron. Need to figure out which capacitor you need to replace…

I loved Rossman's explanation of the transistor. Transistor is just a controllable resistor. So simple. No one told me this. I could have saved years!

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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I'd wager learning the basics is probably easier on building new simple things rather than figuring out complex existing ones to repair. Need electronics basics before you can even attempt to debug

>I'd wager learning the basics

Very good bet.

You still have to beat the odds a lot of times beyond that, since some things are just plain fubar and can't be fixed :\

Others which can just barely be fixed often rely on equal parts luck and skill, I'm the first to admit.

I like the idea of learning how to build for a bit, before migrating more seriously toward teardown & repair.

A really good start is to build a few simple hobbyist kits that run on 9 volt batteries.

You may just get blinking LED's or a buzzing speaker but everything is in the kit and you get the experience with individual components.

You can gain a lot that way without even trying to understand theory, but one of the best ways to develop understanding is to go back to a project you have built from the ground up, and then research each of the elements that you have already been successfully working with until you reach full understanding or at least a satisfactory plateau at that point. Simple discrete components are probably best to develop great confidence with, before trying to deeply study the internals of integrated circuit "chips". It can also be a lot more meaningful when it's your own project you are learning basic theory about, or even the most advanced equations. If you concentrate on a limited area, it sure is more within reach than learning everything you need for a degree.

The main "academic" thing that you can not skip is constantly learning how to better read & draw schematics.

You will definitely be more quickly able to "turn something that doesn't work" (never even was working!) into something that works if your success rate is nominal.

Every project like this is helpful as long as you are continuing to learn, Once you have built a simple kit you may later want to revisit the device and construct a "duplicate" from entirely recycled components that you must first remove from scrap circuit boards. If you do the math these can be some of the most affordable components :) Also flexes your un-soldering ability. All without electronic theory, but it's there for the asking any time you want to dig deeper.

You will use all that experience to better repair things when they need it, especially the simpler problems which may not be the most abundant but it's nice to have them under control. Gaining more intuition about electron flow in general through experience will be more rewarding through time.

While escalating your abilities when your ambition moves beyond 9 volts.

More care than needed will get you a lot further than less care.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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If you're going to repair electronics, it would be helpful to understand theory as well; it's not just a matter of using tools, but knowing what's going on, too. The Art of Electronics by Paul Horowitz is a book many recommend.

Probably helps with ‘works on a breadboard but doesn’t when soldered on the protoboard’… guess what I’m trying to figure out today ;)

Layout, the constantly-evolving sub-discipline?

Which may be only one factor, or maybe somebody just placed a diode backwards :\

So there can really be some unsung variables that make you think.

Until your hair falls out . . .

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

#96
post #66

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Definitely Risks to consider in general are (also of the top of my head don't take as exhaustive): * Electrocution * Burning yourself * Setting stuff on fire * Fumes, both from soldering and overheating/burning plastic There's a kind of balance between habits and awareness. Rely too much on awareness and you will miss some safety issue during a complicated repair. You need good habits, but rely too much on them and y…

A tip on how to reinforce good safety habits taught to me by my shop class teacher is to refer to any dangerous tool you are using by the kind of injury it is likely to inflict. The lathe is the deglover, the angle grinder is the eye splinter injector, the welder is the retina tanning machine, the soldering station is the IQ diminisher, etc. This helps to put you in the mind of "I need the eye splinter injector for t…

> "I need the eye splinter injector for this task, how shall I go about avoiding getting splinters injected into my eyeballs?"

Reminds me of the comments I read on a video of somebody doing something unsafe - "safety squint".

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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I repair practically anything that breaks in my house -- except heavy work on the car, or the roof. A few things, from me as a kid: 1. Take things apart, and try to figure out how they work. Don't worry too much about getting them back together. But then, trying to reassemble it is good practice too. There's plenty of old electronic junk that you can explore before throwing it away. Build a mental catalog of how thin…

> Take things apart, and try to figure out how they work. Don't worry too much about getting them back together. But then, trying to reassemble it is good practice too.

For some reason I got my hands on a lot of old clocks as a child, and after getting the springs out, I never could get them back in. Turns out there's a special lathe you need to use to coil them up tightly enough. Only learnt that when I was about 20.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

#98
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely Risks to consider in general are (also of the top of my head don't take as exhaustive): * Electrocution * Burning yourself * Setting stuff on fire * Fumes, both from soldering and overheating/burning plastic There's a kind of balance between habits and awareness. Rely too much on awareness and you will miss some safety issue during a complicated repair. You need good habits, but rely too much on them and y…

A tip on how to reinforce good safety habits taught to me by my shop class teacher is to refer to any dangerous tool you are using by the kind of injury it is likely to inflict. The lathe is the deglover, the angle grinder is the eye splinter injector, the welder is the retina tanning machine, the soldering station is the IQ diminisher, etc. This helps to put you in the mind of "I need the eye splinter injector for t…

That's certainly a good way to put you in the right mindset - although many of them can injure you in more than one way.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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The thing I keep finding in old stuff, with point to point wiring, is connections that just aren't. One time I found a ground lug on a chassis of a grounded grid amplifier that didn't ground! Another time I found a bad solder joint that left the TV factory like that in 1947 and somehow escaped repair ever since.

It's usually something stupid.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

#100

The thing I keep finding in old stuff, with point to point wiring, is connections that just aren't. One time I found a ground lug on a chassis of a grounded grid amplifier that didn't ground! Another time I found a bad solder joint that left the TV factory like that in 1947 and somehow escaped repair ever since. It's usually something stupid.

Much respect for tackling older vintage gear than most :)

>It's usually something stupid.

Like trunk mounted car batteries in ICE cars.

Where the one long copper positive wire reaching up to the engine is longer & thinner than it should be, the short ground wire goes to some sheetmetal in the trunk, and that current eventually makes its way to the starter indirectly through a maze of non-copper pathways through the frame of the vehicle.

Then under ideal conditions the starter never sees more than 11 volts :(

Not even the full 11 volts when the lug in the trunk is painted over before connecting the terminal during assembly :\

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