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Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#91

I like to think of it like this: Now that solar panels have been shown increase the risk of people falling off rooftops, is coal the only option?

what timing https://www.der-postillon.com/2022/03/solarkatastrophe.html =P

(Solar disaster: 100,000 litres of sun rays leaked out of photovoltaic system)

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

When Firefox removed Do Not Track in December last year [0] people also freaked out, which came as a considerable surprise to me; I thought most tech-savvy users were well aware of the flaws with DNT, and were well aware of DNT's newfangled replacement (GPC) that Firefox had already adopted [1].

I will never understand why people attack Firefox so eagerly at every given opportunity.

[0]: https://circuitbulletin.com/what-is-global-privacy-control-t... [1]: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/global-privacy-control

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#93
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, no one (sane) has any illusions left about chrome. But FF was supposed to remain the shiny counterexample (despite acting also shady since years).

OP's premise is that "Firefox is gone" and "Chrome is the only option". That suggests Chrome is better than current Firefox. Personally, even though my trust in Firefox (and especially Mozilla) has been eroding rapidly in recent years, it's still so much greater than what I have for Google and Chrome that it's not even a choice. Therefore, I agree with GP that this rhetoric is exhausting. Bringing up the issues with…

> OP's premise is that "Firefox is gone" and "Chrome is the only option". That suggests Chrome is better than current Firefox.

To be fair, OP asked if "Chrome-ish" is the only option, i.e. Chromium-based browsers - not Chrome itself.

Even so, I don't think the implication is that Chromium is better than Firefox, but that without Firefox only Chromium-based browsers remain. "If I don't want to use Firefox, is it really only Chrome-clones available?"

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#95
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, no one (sane) has any illusions left about chrome. But FF was supposed to remain the shiny counterexample (despite acting also shady since years).

OP's premise is that "Firefox is gone" and "Chrome is the only option". That suggests Chrome is better than current Firefox. Personally, even though my trust in Firefox (and especially Mozilla) has been eroding rapidly in recent years, it's still so much greater than what I have for Google and Chrome that it's not even a choice. Therefore, I agree with GP that this rhetoric is exhausting. Bringing up the issues with…

Chrome is better than current Firefox. Chrome does not require users to grant Google a license to the information they enter online.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#96
post #19

You can trust or distrust whoever you want, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Firefox. They now have updated the wording of their TOS that caused so much uproar and confusion (in part fueled by Brendan Eich, who runs a competing browser) and are pretty clear about what they do. Firefox also still supports Manifest V2, which lets you use the full, ultra-powerful version of uBlock Origin. There's no better privacy…

No, they didn't update anything meaningful.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#97
post #40

You may have missed Mozilla's update: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms... , discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213612 I don't think trust in Firefox should be gone.

There is nothing meaningful in this "update."

If anything, it's worse, in that they EXPLICITLY admit that they are getting kickbacks—“'monetary' or 'other valuable consideration'”—for providing your user information.

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