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Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#91
I'm thinking ahead of this myself for my kids' sake. Some approaches I'm considering:

- NextDNS with device rules/filtering (primarily for adult and malicious content). This also has monitoring capability, don't think I'll use it though.

- Social media restriction in the early years, but eventually allow access through a notebook. This is a more useful creative tool and will mediate passive consumption, as they won't carry it everywhere with them. Instead it's a log-in at home, when time permits.

- I can't imagine a scenario where my kids "need" a phone, but if so, dumbphones are an option

Some parents I guess will opt for overscheduling kids as an offset, but I think unstructured time is important. Just so long as it's not entirely spent on media consumption.

Mostly, right now I should be setting by example. In instances where kids are playing alone and I don't have to be hovering over them, I'm avoiding excessively reaching for the phone and instead pick up a book. Or do nothing.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

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Four thoughts: 1. I've developed a analog->digital path for my kids. Before they can get a music player, they get a CD player. Before they get video games, they get board games. And then, for video games, before they get Super Mario Odyssey they get the original Super Mario Bros. Each of these "first they get" is a long period. Years long. Give them something that has limitations so they can truly explore it. Find th…

I find the overall approach fascinating, but I chuckled at this part because CDs are digital:

"I've developed a analog->digital path for my kids. Before they can get a music player, they get a CD player."

If anyone wants to start with analogue, perhaps start with vinyl, then cassette tape, and then CD. I had a cassette player before a record player, but vinyl seems easier to grok because you can use a steel needle to hear the sound, instead of the cartridge and amplifier.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#93

Give kids more - teach them media and how to use a computer. Help them find quality programming from a young age so when they are teens they can make informed choices. Discuss with them values, your and other peoples. Make time for them IRL, and do things together so they don't have to find fulfilment in digital arms.

While it might sound backwards, it's probably more effective than banning and hard rules in the long run.

Yes, you can isolate them from social media at home, but you have to acknowledge that it also means they will be missing out, won't be invited to things planned on there, will live under constant tension of "what are others talking on there?", all of which might actually stunt their (social) development more than just being on social media with no restrictions. You can take alternative approaches along the lines of "let them use computers first, then phones", but then you're no better than the parents forcing kids into a certain sport because of a personal preference.

I'm not saying don't ever tell them to go offline, just saying dialing down the restrictions a bit and actively providing alternatives-spending time with them-should go a long way. Spend time engaged with them, just generally show them the way-show them sports, activities, ... they can do with or without friends, offline. Lead by example is the term here.

To end this, I also know quite a few cases where the restrictions have backfired to the point the kid feels like they need to use up all precious daily screentime allowance, even tho they might have better things to do, just because it's so limited.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#94

Sometimes I feel grief about the fact that I will almost certainly never have kids, but then I also feel immense relief that I don't have to navigate the extremely complex challenge of raising them in the modern world.

As a parent, I think it's just taking choices. There is no absolute win for either end, just gives and takes. When the dust falls we can just hope that we get a bit more takes than gives. Most of us just walk on ice and skate to wherever fate takes us.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you blame your parents' or guardians' overly restrictive dogma for your outcast status then it will likely turn into lifelong resentment. Would you want your kid to resent you? The better alternative is to explore the net together with your children and show them that there is a world beyond typical social media which is far more interesting and rewarding to explore. Encourage them to foster trust and strong r…

> But if you blame your parents or guardians' overly restrictive dogma for your outcast status then it will likely turn into lifelong resentment. Would you want your kid to resent you? That's not a good reason. Would you let your kid take up smoking, because they'd resent you if you said no? Also: My parents wouldn't let me drive until at least a year after my peers got their licenses. I didn't like it, but I don't h…

That is assuming socials are as dangerous as smoking.

Now they have their dangers of addiction, but that can indeed be worked out. As a safeguard, a rate limit filter is what I would recommend. Perhaps one that can recognize roughly the kind of content watched, so you can have a relevant talk.

The self esteem and self-dox part can be really dealt with by actually doing the thing together. Otherwise you will be at the mercy of peers. Don't kid yourself about how powerful your influence is.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#96
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Four thoughts: 1. I've developed a analog->digital path for my kids. Before they can get a music player, they get a CD player. Before they get video games, they get board games. And then, for video games, before they get Super Mario Odyssey they get the original Super Mario Bros. Each of these "first they get" is a long period. Years long. Give them something that has limitations so they can truly explore it. Find th…

What do you do when other kids are on social media or have advanced devices early? Your own kids will get exposed to those and be upset that they don’t have the same things or the same access to social media. Maybe they’ll even create secret profiles and build a wall between themselves and their parents. I feel like it’s hard to keep society away from one’s own children.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#97

- Understands responsible use. - Writes a log of when they use "screen time", including what they plan on doing (purpose + which sites/apps) and for how long. (with a max time limit per day) - They only can use it in our common areas when we are around, with no expectation of privacy. - Sets a timer and can self stop

> They only can use it in our common areas when we are around, with no expectation of privacy.

Sorry, but this just feels completely off-putting and I can tell you myself, if I were your kid, I'd find a way to get myself a phone, connect to some nearby Wi-Fi and use it all the time when you're not looking.

Sure, regulate it time and content-wise, but mandate they have absolutely no privacy doing things and it will likely backfire.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#98
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Four thoughts: 1. I've developed a analog->digital path for my kids. Before they can get a music player, they get a CD player. Before they get video games, they get board games. And then, for video games, before they get Super Mario Odyssey they get the original Super Mario Bros. Each of these "first they get" is a long period. Years long. Give them something that has limitations so they can truly explore it. Find th…

I find the overall approach fascinating, but I chuckled at this part because CDs are digital: "I've developed a analog->digital path for my kids. Before they can get a music player, they get a CD player." If anyone wants to start with analogue, perhaps start with vinyl, then cassette tape, and then CD. I had a cassette player before a record player, but vinyl seems easier to grok because you can use a steel needle to…

Heh, you’re indeed right. I use analog in a very loose sense, perhaps better said as “tactile”. As in “I take a CD out of the case, I open my player, I put the CD in the case, I use physical buttons to move one track at a time”.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#99

Going thru this now with an 11 yo and 14 yo. It’s a non-stop, swash-buckling battle to get them to put down their phones and do literally anything IRL. Their attention has been completely hijacked, their childhood robbed from them, and I feel like it’s pretty much a total parent fail on my part. But it’s the same with all their friends too. Shameful and sad and just wrong At the risk of ridicule, I think we need to i…

> It’s a non-stop, swash-buckling battle to get them to put down their phones and do literally anything IRL. What a bizarre statement. You are their parent. They are 11 and 14. You can physically take their phones away. If they accept it - give the devices back. If they keep throwing tantrums - don't. Obviously that is a last resort, but it seems like you've already tried other things and failed.

As a former teen who had parents try this, we were wily enough to find the relevant computer power cables quickly. And it's harder today.

You won't win this way. The kid will obtain a second device and you'll have both a screaming match and an uphill battle. Or they will mooch elsewhere and forget about seeing your kid.

Re: Ask HN: How do you prevent the impact of social media on your children?

#100
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My kids aren't interested but as far as I can tell it doesn't have a huge impact on kids. And I don't believe there's any convincing research to support it's dangers. I tell my kids to not believe everything they see online but that's about it.

what research have you done to lead you to the conclusion that it doesn't have a huge impact on kids?
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