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Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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> working in radar stations on top of remote mountain. Interesting story. I worked in a bike shop a number of years ago. Guy came in and I helped him find some stuff for a long distance ride he was going to do. I noticed he had a black baseball hat with the initials "NJTTTF" sewn into the front of it and I had no idea wtf it meant so as he was checking out I asked him. He said, "You don't want to know." and I said, "…

As former military intelligence, I have a hard time believing someone in that line of work would wear a hat advertising which task force they worked on. Or that such a task force would even allow such hats to be made.

As a regular civilian, I concur.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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rapjr9 - I commend you for using your talents to help the world instead of hurting it. From one human to another, thank you.

Why? He was building tools. Tools can be used to defend or to attack.

'In accepting an honorary degree from the University of Notre Dame a few years ago, General David Sarnoff made this statement: "We are too prone to make technological instruments the scapegoats for the sins of those who wield them. The products of modern science are not in themselves good or bad; it is the way they are used that determines their value."

That is the voice of the current somnambulism.

Suppose we were to say, "Apple pie is in itself neither good nor bad; it is the way it is used that determines its value." Or, "The smallpox virus is in itself neither good nor bad; it is the way it is used that determines its value." Again, "Firearms are in themselves neither good nor bad; it is the way they are used that determines their value." That is, if the slugs reach the right people firearms are good. If the TV tube fires the right ammunition at the right people it is good.

I am not being perverse. There is simply nothing in the Sarnoff statement that will bear scrutiny, for it ignores the nature of the medium.'

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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After decades in the software industry, I decided to just get a factory job within bicycling distance of my house and only do programming as a hobby. I can't take the hype cycle anymore. First it was big data this and big data that, now it's all AI. It's always about something other than crafting sensible solutions to real problems. A breaking point for me was getting scolded to figure out how to apply LLM technology…

> I can't take the hype cycle anymore. First it was big data this and big data that, now it's all AI. It's always about something other than crafting sensible solutions to real problems. I've thought the same thing. So many people in software just pretend to chase after some meme and being around them makes me really cynical It's just buzzword this buzzword that to some people. Who gives a shit about solving problems…

> After 2020, it feels like more and more people are full of shit and only care about money

Something had definitely changed. But I am not sure how much of that is me.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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For the past 20 years, I’ve worked in health information technology at two companies, although the first (a horrifically dysfunctional startup) was acquired by the second. Likewise, all the damage from the first just rolled over into the second, and all my issues (college drop out with poor self esteem and terrible imposter syndrome) just festered and grew. While there were a couple of good years post-acquisition, it too became a comically dysfunctional shitshow that was destroying me physically, mentally, and emotionally. However, I just kept making excuses. I made a good living, I had insane seniority which came with 7 weeks of PTO (although I essentially could never use it), and who’s gonna hire a college dropout with two shitty, nobody companies dominating their CV? I was constantly rationalizing that next year might be better if I just grind out today’s soul crushing bullshit, and anyway this was as good as I deserved.

There was a high profile breach resulting in legal actions. In December they laid off all but a handful of devs and planned to nearshore everything. Many close coworkers, including a good friend I’ve worked with for 17 years who was probably half the reason I stayed, all unceremoniously dumped. All projects cancelled except what was necessary to shore up a few things, clearly we’re headed to the boneyard. The company is sinking and on fire, and has been for some time. My job was going to get worse and there was a very real danger that this job would kill me one way or another if I stayed. The heavens gave me hundreds of signs to move on over the years and I ignored them. This was one last chance.

Five months ago, a former coworker offered me a way out. He couldn’t meet me at my current salary so I lost a pretty painful 12%, the total benefits aren’t as great, but the total opportunity is better, there is almost no stress, and I love the team and their vision and focus. I’m thankful to him and the company for making a spot for me. The worst that could happen, being out of a job, is a wash. The most alarming thing is coming to terms with how bad off I really was, and how much it was bringing down my partner, family, and friends. It’s going to take me some time to get myself sorted and be back to a whole person again, but for the first time in a while I have a bit of hope and when I think about what tomorrow looks like I don’t see blackness. So far, the only regret is I didn’t do it sooner. That was worth the 12%.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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Why? He was building tools. Tools can be used to defend or to attack.

'In accepting an honorary degree from the University of Notre Dame a few years ago, General David Sarnoff made this statement: "We are too prone to make technological instruments the scapegoats for the sins of those who wield them. The products of modern science are not in themselves good or bad; it is the way they are used that determines their value." That is the voice of the current somnambulism. Suppose we were t…

Since you didn't provide the author, it's Marshall McLuhan, from Understanding Media. Here's a link: http://topologicalmedialab.net/xinwei/classes/readings/McLuh...

For the record, I disagree with McLuhan, but perhaps I don't fully understand his argument.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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I left the electronic warfare industry even though I'd helped build a program from nothing to a product bringing in $100M (probably billions since I left) because I didn't want to be in the war industry any longer where the entire legacy of my lifes work could be measured in destruction. Worked as a software engineer in industry for a while, gradually moving up in salary, then went into contracting. Contracting seeme…

rapjr9 - I commend you for using your talents to help the world instead of hurting it. From one human to another, thank you.

I commend them for following their conscience, but I would also commend someone for going to work for the defense industry because they thought it was the best way to protect people. I don't think there are any easy moral answers when it comes to defense.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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> Travel, parties, hobbies These things generally require a "nice pay check" though.

It can, but it certainly doesnt need to. For travel there are probably many destinations in your own country, that people actually visit your country to see. Those a typically cheaper to do. Then there is asia - I’ve traveled tree months in asia for the same budget as 10 days visiting the States. Also in general very much depends on how/where you say. Hotel in Auckland vs pet sitting gig for a week 15 mins outside of…

Once you have kids, this calculus becomes way more complicated.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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I did 7 years in a small shop (websites), then 7 at a mid-sized digital/ad agency (websites, mobile apps) that got acquired by IBM. For many reasons, I had no interest in IBM, and despite completing the 2 year vesting period to receive the acquihire retention bonus, I refused to sign the paperwork before the official transition into IBM iX, left the bonus on the table, and resigned.. walked out with nothing but a thr…

It's very freeing to take responsibility for your perceived success or failure, rather than be a cog inside of a machine that you truly can't control.

Also early 40s with a kid and I spent many years working for myself before getting a job about five years ago. The security and lower stress has been nice, but I miss being self-employed. Fortunately I'm remote and my WLB is great, so I try to think of my employer as just another client, and I work on projects of my own. Golden handcuffs and a VHCOL city mean that there's little realistic chance one of those projects enables me to quit, but I fantasize about it daily.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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Have a similar story. Was a front-end developer, then tried to go full-stack and it was just too much to deal with. I worked at a huge corporation and the team I was on was full of the "rock star" types - like you said, always chasing the latest thing. I finally had to get out when someone said, "Bruh, you still use Angular? Pfffft, SVELTE is where its now, you're practically a dinosaur!" Same thing, it became so con…

How did you get into that? What's the job title? If you don't mind sharing I'd love to know more.

>> How did you get into that?

It was from networking and timing. I was on a team that was being dissolved because of some internal politics and at the time I had been talking with some people in the UI/UX department about some openings they had for designers or UX researchers. By chance a director heard I was poking around and wanting to move over and reached out and said they were going to need to fill some backfill roles and asked if I ever considered accessibility.

After meeting several people on the team, I thought it would be a good fit and a role I could use a lot of my development background as well, so the learning curve wouldn't be so steep. The final weeks of my team being dissolved was basically spent being onboarded onto the accessibility team so when I moved over, it was a really smooth transition.

>> What's the job title?

I'm an accessibility engineer. We do mainly two things - consulting and assessments. Its a great place for me as a developer because I get to work with designers and developers so I'm in the middle of all the action and interface with everybody on the team. Its been a great move and its an area that is becoming super important so demand is only going to increase in the future.

Re: Ask HN: Tell me your stories of taking lower paid work to be happier

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It can, but it certainly doesnt need to. For travel there are probably many destinations in your own country, that people actually visit your country to see. Those a typically cheaper to do. Then there is asia - I’ve traveled tree months in asia for the same budget as 10 days visiting the States. Also in general very much depends on how/where you say. Hotel in Auckland vs pet sitting gig for a week 15 mins outside of…

Once you have kids, this calculus becomes way more complicated.

Oh yes. I have two. What I dont get is how having 2 more persons somehow makes everything travel related at least 4x more expensive?! Anyway, there is no “roughing it through asia” with two little ones. Thats why I wrote the caveat with grinding cash while early 20s, to build a little extra to draw on when the this happens
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