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Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

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Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#91
I think the expectations of potential users have increased and it's an upward spiral.

Reasonable design and interactivity have become the norm with no-code tools, templates and frameworks taking a lot of pressure of those who may have struggled with design if starting from scratch.

This proliferation also increases the standards of users who expect a more polished feel of a product (even if it's simple and barely works with a dumpster fire backend). Notable mention of Craigslist though which is only able to buck the trend due to lock-in. People using your product is the biggest signal that you are on to something but if potential users bounce because of your lacking UI/UX you may be less likely to pursue the development of your product.

Of course this isn't everyone and some of us are more than happy to put up with a less-polished UI in favor of the product itself (I'm looking at you *nix users). 'Show HN' states 'A Show HN needn't be complicated or look slick. The community is comfortable with work that's at an early stage.' and I feel that may be a portion of the users here but chances are higher that even those of us who are willing to use early stage products would prefer cleaner UIs.

Personally though - as someone who likes to launch products - it can be quite disheartening. On one hand I don't want to spend too much time on design however I fear that if I don't it will hinder me. My approach is to apply the 80:20 rule. Educate myself a little in design and use pre-made stuff as much as I can.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#92

Expectations and abilities have changed. Consumers now expect things to look polished, or at the very least, have a defined aesthetic. Businesses also expect that you have other customers and want assurance that you will not disappear. I believe the bigger story here is that individuals are now capable of doing much more than before. I'm a product designer. And over a decade ago I started my career building Wordpress…

Hi Sam, are you open to an email? I didnt see a way to contact you directly on your site.

Sure—sam at solomon dot io

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#93

I agree that in many cases people are puffing their feathers to try to be something they're not (at least not yet). Some believe in the fake it until you make it mentality. With NeuML ( https://neuml.com ), the website is a simple HTML page. On social media, I'm honest about what NeuML is, that I'm in my 40s with a family and not striving to be the next Steve Jobs. I've been able to build a fairly successful open sou…

I love your website. It's awesome.

Thank you.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#95
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Character doesn't really make you money, IPO and late series products all look the same

That doesn't seem to be true if you look at Apple products. All the high margin/high growth products/services don't follow that generic nature.

"MicroSoft" is not a unique name full of character.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#96
post #40

The key is that it's not polish, it's simply because the baseline level increased. Now it's easy as hell to get something that looks polished, but that's all it is: visually polished. If you talk about actual functionality, I don't think I've ever seen so much half-baked shit being sold as a product as in this day and age. Every startup I see is taking the "fake until you make it" a bit too literally. It's basically…

There what "fake it tip you make it" means. But not "make it" is much later, and "fake it" survives longer from investors.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#98
To an extent, having a polished established look is to build trust.

If the website looks poorly executed, customers will walk. Think about it, if the site has zero reputation and looks really janky, would you put your credit card in?

Your average consumer will say no.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#99
post #14

I see the same in the consulting space - people who've barely ever talked to a prospect let alone had an actual customer (I happen to know from talking to folks like that) have a shiny website with pricing packages talking about "their team" and what not. Feels like pure hustle culture. I started my business a year ago, and there is no "we". There's me and (at this point) enough clients for comfortable living. I went…

I'm curious: how come there are no German version of the website? Are most of your (desired) clients not German? Or is it that practically everyone speaks English in Germany so it doesn't matter?
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