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Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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Lots of political opinion posts. There seems to be an influx of non technical people posting culture war nonsense.

As the site grows the number of people interested in any specific tech gets smaller while the number of people interested in lifestyle posts (politics being a major category of those) grows. Ruby and or Rust specific posts get much less upvotes and lifestyle posts get much more upvotes and the frontpage with its limited real estate becomes less and less specific tech related. The problem will only continue to get wor…

Ruby still popup but you have to search for Ruby and sort by date.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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React won. Angular is officially deprecated, and the others are distant also-rans at this point. React Native has also almost completely taken over iOS development. Thank god we can all just agree on a baseline to work from finally.

Which angular?

There is Angularjs (deprecated) and Angular (alive)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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I see a lot less programming topics, in general.

Lots of political opinion posts. There seems to be an influx of non technical people posting culture war nonsense.

Sam Altman is testifying in Congress. Elon Musk is retweeting culture war BS all day. Tens of thousands of tech jobs are being slashed by CEOs as the cheap money tap gets turned off.

Why would things not be getting political?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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React is now the de facto choice and much less painful than past de facto choices, is my take on why. It has a mature and healthy ecosystem, and its relatively small surface makes it easy to learn and predictable, while declarative GUI in general is low on footguns compared to ye ol two-way data binding. Many of the competitors springing up define themselves in terms of React, either as an improvement or a foil. But…

I remember hearing exactly the same words about jQuery a decade ago. This is bias stacked on comfort using a bandwagon mythology as a qualifier.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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IMO a JavaScript revolution is quietly brewing. Today’s frameworks have gotten amazingly complicated and EcmaScript spec is gaining new capabilities at a rapid clip, so some of critical features for modern web dev is built in. This project is a great example of what’s coming https://www.arrow-js.com . I think the right move will become avoiding these large and complicated frameworks unless they’re truly called for.

That, while well intentioned, is probably wishful thinking. Large frameworks do not exist to provide technology capabilities or features. They exist to supplement skill deficits in people, primarily around architecture and composition, and any such features are built upon the stylistic premise they provide.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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React is now the de facto choice and much less painful than past de facto choices, is my take on why. It has a mature and healthy ecosystem, and its relatively small surface makes it easy to learn and predictable, while declarative GUI in general is low on footguns compared to ye ol two-way data binding. Many of the competitors springing up define themselves in terms of React, either as an improvement or a foil. But…

I remember hearing exactly the same words about jQuery a decade ago. This is bias stacked on comfort using a bandwagon mythology as a qualifier.

Jquery worked for a world that was mostly html with some sticking a of JavaScript. In fact, it still does.

React is just a better approach to building all-encompassing SPAs.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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IMO a JavaScript revolution is quietly brewing. Today’s frameworks have gotten amazingly complicated and EcmaScript spec is gaining new capabilities at a rapid clip, so some of critical features for modern web dev is built in. This project is a great example of what’s coming https://www.arrow-js.com . I think the right move will become avoiding these large and complicated frameworks unless they’re truly called for.

https://vanjs.org is another example in that direction. It illustrates that it's even possible to have a full-fledged solution of composing complex reactive DOM tree with just plain JavaScript functions.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

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> JS framework written in Rust This isn't far from reality these days

That's what makes jokes/conspiracies/lies/memes so compelling. Not that my comment was any of the above including compelling

Isn't it wonderful how we can just chain tech-mumbojumbo and it mostly sticks? Like if you posted about "Watermelonjs: a Mersenne-backed crypto-funded AI metaframework kitchen sink mocker template written in Umlaut" I'd wager a fair amount of people wouldn't even bat an eye.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else notice that HN isn’t full of JavaScript frameworks lately?

#100
post #59

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You can still use just React. No one is forcing you to use Next or Remix

No one is forcing you, but the React docs say "If you want to build a new app or a new website fully with React, we recommend picking one of the React-powered frameworks popular in the community. Frameworks provide features that most apps and sites eventually need, including routing, data fetching, and generating HTML." So, it going to be difficult to choose pure React with that kind of statement.

How is it difficult? Tons of companies have profitable UIs that aren't using a meta framework. Just because the React team says "we recommend you do X" doesn't mean you have to do X. If they said, "you must do X" then yea, you should do X
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