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Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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I think it's perfectly normal to want to do something else after you've been doing one thing for decades. Humans like variety, the "mid-life crisis" is a thing for a reason. I think IT work in particular is tricky to escape, because it's such a large step down in pay to switch to another career. People end up stuck here for longer than they ought to and burn out or coast, because they don't want to take the pay downg…

You're right that it's normal to feel that way, and it's all true that IT is a trap in some ways.

But it's also possible to find joy in tech by moving to a new area for a while. Of course, it feels like another particularly tough era to think about moving, which may contribute to both the feelings of anxiety and sadness about where the OP is at the moment.

My recommendation when counseling folks on this situation is to start by finding a willingness to try a new path. Working on getting onto a better path is often as engaging at rewarding technical work.

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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>I now understand why there’s a trend of developers who want to go live in a farm or take up woodworking I own a farm and a carpentry business, both since the start of covid. And I do freelance development. I have no plans to return to corporate coding. Life is great, never been happier or more fulfilled. But that is just me, your mileage may vary. Also it is a lot of hard physical work, at least during building and…

you're like a bingo card rolled up into a single person. I recently used my circular saw, multi tool, and drill for my first real project(mounting a hangboard on my ceiling joists) and it was immensely satisfying... I see the allure but I'm definitely wearing gloves next time. my hands are all cut up from driving the screws

I try to set my life up so that every day is an adventure :)

Glad you enjoyed yourself. And yes safety is paramount. Gloves and glasses are a staple for me, and hearing protection. I know a guy that lost the tip of his thumb. And not from a saw accident either. He got a splinter and it became infected. He tarried going to the doctor and ended up needing to have the tip amputated.

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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The red tape is garroting us. My wife's dev environment VMs are 'remediated' at 8pm regardless if she's using them or not - there is no override policy - and the company is singing the success story of saving 40 dollars in licensing. At another corporation, it can take several weeks to learn how to fill out the IAM role and permission boundaries to allow a new app to run - and a governance board has to review it and…

This was poetic.

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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>I now understand why there’s a trend of developers who want to go live in a farm or take up woodworking I own a farm and a carpentry business, both since the start of covid. And I do freelance development. I have no plans to return to corporate coding. Life is great, never been happier or more fulfilled. But that is just me, your mileage may vary. Also it is a lot of hard physical work, at least during building and…

"I code in the winter." I applaud you. I sleep in the winter.

I get bored of laying in bed all day after the first week or two.

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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This reads much like "I like welding, but I hate working on an assembly line". Those things you find annoying are things that help make the process streamlined, trackable, repeatable, and you fungible. Of course things are more fun when you are guided by your own flow and direction... but how does that scale to hundreds of employees? It's the independent flow of programming that I fell in love with, and that I now realise I'll never really get in a workplace.

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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The red tape is garroting us. My wife's dev environment VMs are 'remediated' at 8pm regardless if she's using them or not - there is no override policy - and the company is singing the success story of saving 40 dollars in licensing. At another corporation, it can take several weeks to learn how to fill out the IAM role and permission boundaries to allow a new app to run - and a governance board has to review it and…

This sounds so much like my company.

Add in that management will make commitments to customers without having any idea what it will take to execute, schedule 20 hours of meetings per week, expect us to work a total of 60-80 hours a week to meet the arbitrary schedule, and also change priorities seemingly at random based on which customer is making the most noise.

The best part is HR regularly talks about how we are a certified great place to work with amazing work life balance.

I'd quit but equity...

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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Programming is tedious when your implementing someone else's vision, thats why I stopped doing it professionally. I still write a ton of code to make my life easier but since I'm not a developer by title I can pick whatever language and tools I want. I often use SQLite just to keep the DBAs out of the picture also.

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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I left frontend engineering for similar reasons. There was a lot of hype in a culture that seemed obsessed with the next big thing to what end I couldn't quite figure out. I blame webpack.

But seriously, you may just need to switch things up and tackle a new line of work or find a new employer that isn't so rigid in their SDLC practices.

Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding

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It only addresses one part of your concerns, but I seriously think in javascript/web land the pendulum really is starting to swing back the other way.

I started my career in the server rendered 'rails like' monolithic web framework days, where only sprinkles of JS using libs like jQuery and prototype were being used for a bit of UI dynamism.

I saw (and partook in!) the rise of what I'll call the 'client-rendered' era with libs like Angular and React. This is often also referred to as SPAs, but SPA really is just an implementation detail. The important bit is that most responsibility for rendering, data, and state management, takes place on the client - be it in a single-page bundle architecture or no.

I saw that happen from the ground floor and so I know what momentum building for that kind of paradigm shift looks like. It takes years, and goes through various stages of hype cycle. I remember 2-3 years into this cycle many companies and parts of industry not yet taking React seriously, or believing it was or would be something very important in the industry (regardless of your opinion of it we can all agree it is important).

The point being that these changes and turnarounds are very, very slow indeed. I believe we're now about two years in to a shift back the other way, to a fundamentally more server-based approach taking only the best ideas of the client-rendered era and throwing away the bad ones, or at least the tradeoffs that weren't worth it.

We're seeing it in frameworks like Remix, and NextJS, and even some of the edge-based ones like Deno's Fresh (indeed, edge compute is one of the new things that exist since 10 years ago that I believe will help drive the transition back to server-based rendering).

The full transition back may take another 2, 3 or even 5 years. But I am confident now that it is happening and that it will happen. So you may want to get involved in driving this forwards!

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