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Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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And sometimes heavy involvement with a Therapist later as an adult.

It’s a lot better to be wealthy and pay a few grand a year for therapy than to be always broke and unemployed.

Depends what the therapy is for I think. There are mental struggles worse than broke and unemployed for some, even with a lot of money.

Parents should encourage, not force imho.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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I disagree with you on the general but agree on the specific here. I think parents need to be reasonably involved with their children even when they are students, but here the child seems to do well so there is no reason to worry

Johnny, your Algorithms 360 professor is telling me you're falling behind, but I see you're studying nothing but Databases 413, in which you had 97% in the midterm. Maybe we have to reprioritize your focus. Sigh, you know, it's the same old story like back in kindergarten.

I was very pleased when my parents wrote to my tutor, but she replied saying the Data Protection Act (predecessor to the GDPR) did not permit her to discuss anything.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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He takes specifications from the customers and brings them down to software engineers. He is a people person!

Why can’t the customers hand the specs direct to the software people?

Because there is an inevitable translation step between "customer wants X" and "engineers have to build Y to achieve X". This takes time and is a non-trivial task. I'm an engineer myself and I'm glad there are people between me and the customers. They're there to shield engineers from unnecessary tasks and scope creep. They are the necessary abstraction layer between engineering and business.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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I started my degree 20 years ago. Maybe 25% of my classmates still code, and that's a high estimate. I'm perhaps one of a tiny handful that code for fun, not just money. Does it really matter if they learn this stuff, pass the course, and then never look at a computer again?

Few degrees are vocational but my feeling from your post is that you think it's a waste to study something don't plan on doing for the rest of your life. Kids don't see it that way. They see something they have a faint interest in, or something they're good at, not a 40 year career at the end of it.

It might be worth a discussion with your son, but it won't go well if you make it about what you want or what you think they should want. Manage your own expectations. Try and be conscious that parenting transference ("my parents always want me to do the best I could") or overcompensation ("my parents couldn't afford me these opportunities") are both as harmful as each other. Kids are generally good. Don't be afraid to trust their judgement.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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I disagree with you on the general but agree on the specific here. I think parents need to be reasonably involved with their children even when they are students, but here the child seems to do well so there is no reason to worry

> I think parents need to be reasonably involved with their children even when they are students, but here the child seems to do well so there is no reason to worry OP is talking about a full grown adult. Not a child.

To a parent, they will always be their child.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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post #94

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Why can’t the customers hand the specs direct to the software people?

Because there is an inevitable translation step between "customer wants X" and "engineers have to build Y to achieve X". This takes time and is a non-trivial task. I'm an engineer myself and I'm glad there are people between me and the customers. They're there to shield engineers from unnecessary tasks and scope creep. They are the necessary abstraction layer between engineering and business.

Ngl often times I wish there was a people person between me and clients. These damn people with their people things, ugh.

They probably wouldn't need a secretary though heh.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

#98
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You're probably right. I never went to college but I started learning how to code in my late 20s because I could finally afford a used computer by then (late 1980s). It tore me up to go to friends homes and see a Mac or Commodore 64 sitting on a desk collecting dust. When I got my first used computer in the early 90s, (a Commodore 64) I dove into learning how to program. Back then I didn't know anyone who knew how co…

I disagree.

Personally what I like is solving business problems and delivering excellent solutions to happy customers. Coding is a means to an end for me. I originally learned to code as a teenager in order to build websites in an attempt to make money from them (with some success here and there). It wasn't because coding itself was particularly intriguing or fun, but it was a pathway to building a product that could generate income. I didn't hate it either, I found/find it somewhat fun, but there are many more things I would prefer to spend time on if my goal is pure recreation. The idea that I could sit at home with a keyboard and generate wealth for myself was what encouraged me to pursue this career.

Right now, if I didn't have customers or start ups to launch I would spend precisely zero time "tinkering" about with code for personal fun, the fun part for me is designing, delivering and selling the solution. I'm not obsessed with coding for the sake of the technology like a lot of people are, yet I love my "job" and I'm highly motivated and effective at what I do.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

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College is the best time in his life to socialize and build relationships that last a lifetime. Let him do his thing. If his grades are fine why are you worried? For a fresh out of college grad new hire/interview they're going to care much more about grades and school prestige than hobbies or side projects. At least for the major FAANG companies. Something like "deans list BS computer science from Berkeley" or "maste…

Aside from the paycheck, is working for FAANG really something people still want? The workplace politics sound dreadfully toxic there.

Re: Ask HN: Son is major in CS, but doesn't code. Red flag?

#100
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The only red flag here is you. If your son is in college, he is likely to be at least 18 and therefore an adult in most countries. He is responsible for his own decisions, and is also the one to suffer the consequences. If he was studying accounting would you worry if he wasn't having fun doing people's taxes at night? If he was studying chemistry would you worry if he didn't have a mad scientists lab going on? Let y…

this line of thinking is insane. I completely understand wanting to be independent, but hostility toward elder's care is just bizarre. a child doesn't just evolve to be a responsible adult on their 18th birthday like a pokemon, especially now that distractions are so easy to access. how many 'adults' have you seen make bad decisions (often ignoring their parents' advice) and later come crawling back to mom's basement? personally, I've seen too many, and the parents aren't gonna shut the door to their face
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