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Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#91

Since house prices started to become unattainable for the average individual without going 40 years into debt. Remove the problem of earning money to achieve independent housing, remove 75% of the hussle for most people to participate in scams.

I sympathize with your concern, but this is off topic.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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In some areas a "community" culture¹ of "you shall behave - you will behave" has declined into a sort of anarchy of "everything passes"; once you were corrected, and now you are no more; once people would stand and say "wrong behaviour" directly, today such framework is greatly weakened, which causes all kind of deviations. Such weakening encourages abuse and exploitation. ¹Note that said community culture was not re…

This neglects that many scams were perpetuated on these tight communities because it was easy to exploit that existing trust system. This is especially true when the scam was being done by the leadership because then the community had to follow based on authority. See every cult that ever existed. In fact I think that these communities are in fact the REASON more scams seem to exist today because with the internet al…

Though I was not speaking of «/tight/ communities», but of a social method that remained the standard also among strangers (it would be indifferent if the corrigendum is familiar or not - he would receive a lesson of similar tones).

And in such environment, under the "you shall behave - you will behave rule", scams are not tolerated by society and are eliminated as soon as they show up through the force of radical opposition that meets the active intention of Enforcement. On the contrary, in the "anarco-decadent" society, the enforcement itself will be hindered and burdened ("I wish I could", "What can you do about it", etc).

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#93

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If you don’t see the issue with “often religious” then nothing I say can change your mind! Religion as a moral compass is horrible! Religious communities are often the most toxic ones!

I am an atheist ex-Catholic. The big atheist-leftist crowd in my college town are intensely more violent, toxic, and racist than local Catholics or Lutherans. Lack of religious belief is no guarantee of kindness or rationality, nor is the presence of faith a strong signal of evil.

I am Italian… raised catholic… my high school was owned and managed by the church… and I am an atheist as well! An I can tell you that in my country the problem are the believers not the atheists! The presence of faith implies you are willing to outsource your moral compass to what a bunch of primitive men belived to be right

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#94

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I am an atheist ex-Catholic. The big atheist-leftist crowd in my college town are intensely more violent, toxic, and racist than local Catholics or Lutherans. Lack of religious belief is no guarantee of kindness or rationality, nor is the presence of faith a strong signal of evil.

Behavior is a strong signal and I see more Christian harlots and swindlers than people practicing Christ’s philosophy. The left at least don’t pretend to be wholesome and righteous.

> The left at least don’t pretend to be wholesome and righteous

Funny, I use this same line about the right (at least in reference to politicians) in the US.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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post #92

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This neglects that many scams were perpetuated on these tight communities because it was easy to exploit that existing trust system. This is especially true when the scam was being done by the leadership because then the community had to follow based on authority. See every cult that ever existed. In fact I think that these communities are in fact the REASON more scams seem to exist today because with the internet al…

Though I was not speaking of «/tight/ communities», but of a social method that remained the standard also among strangers (it would be indifferent if the corrigendum is familiar or not - he would receive a lesson of similar tones). And in such environment, under the "you shall behave - you will behave rule", scams are not tolerated by society and are eliminated as soon as they show up through the force of radical op…

> scams are not tolerated by society and are eliminated as soon as they show up

This is already the case currently. Once scams are identified as such, then they are eliminated. But the problem of course is that scams start off as seeming legitimate. That's the definition of scam, something that appeared legitimate but wasn't.

Even in "anarco-decadent" societies, scams would not flourish once they are revealed as scams because, why would anyone participate in something with a 100% chance of them losing all their money? The scammers may not face punishment from an overseeing authority like the state, but may very well by individual victims of the scam. Either way, scams can't continue as known scams in any arrangement of society. edit An exception to this is a fully corrupted authoritarian society. In this special case there could be 'approved scams' by some officials or people in power that everyone knows to be a scam, but they have to go along with over fear of violent reprisal.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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I'm not ignorant at all. I live in NYC (the largest "community" in the country) which has the largest, most systematically effective social services system in the country. It's one thing I appreciate most about the city, other than the subway. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing (or good things used to advance perverse incentives). Too Much of a Good Thing: Methadone and "clean needle" clinics on 125th…

The goal should be to reduce harm . The idea that drug use is axiomatically bad is an invention of the War On Drugs. Criminalizing drug addiction increases harm. Treating it as a disease provably reduces harm. And, in fact, reduces drug use . Methadone and clean needle clinics are pointed in the right direction, but they're not enough. They just happen to be all the people who got them put in place could manage.

The goal should be to reduce drug use and end addiction. "Harm" is relative. There are functioning heroin addicts(either tar or hillbilly heroin) that some people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Hart) would say aren't "harming" anyone. It's still not something to societally encourage.

I also said nothing of criminalization of addicts. Seller's, sure.

> Methadone and clean needle clinics are pointed in the right direction, but they're not enough. They just happen to be all the people who got them put in place could manage.

This makes no sense. The halfass'd effort is worse than nothing at all.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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>When that something that you want to quit spending money on can be characterized as "other people who I don't identify with" Everyone wants to spend money on something or someone they identify with. It's not like the left has showed any leniency against those it deems unworthy.

Sure they have. They believe in social safety nets for all (livable wages to reduce crime, for example). They also tend to be more socially inclusive (I rarely see a racist gay person for example).

Woah there... there are PLENTY of racist gay people.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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This is a very US centric concept, though. Whereas the original question was far more generic.

Anecdotally, this is something I notice in Europe, too.

There is far more division, in Europe too, certainly.

But most European countries have far more plurality in their party systems. Main exception being Britain, with a two party system, but they don't even want to be European.

So in Europe there's certainly a strong left and right. Just also a lot in-between. Not black-white, binary, but a spectrum of colors, analogue.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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I am an atheist ex-Catholic. The big atheist-leftist crowd in my college town are intensely more violent, toxic, and racist than local Catholics or Lutherans. Lack of religious belief is no guarantee of kindness or rationality, nor is the presence of faith a strong signal of evil.

Behavior is a strong signal and I see more Christian harlots and swindlers than people practicing Christ’s philosophy. The left at least don’t pretend to be wholesome and righteous.

> I see more Christian harlots and swindlers than people practicing Christ’s philosophy

Perhaps "more people who claim/pretend to be Christian"? You can hardly call someone Christian if they're not following Jesus; it makes as much as calling someone an atheist just because they call themselves an atheist right before talking about how God exists.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#100
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Tangent - Reviews are basically useless. It's next to impossible to get good information to choosing some a local business / service on the internet.

I find if you read some reviews with cynical eye you can still get quite a good idea. I mean the "great 5*" ones may be fake but the "quite good but terrible service 3*" usually are not.
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