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Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

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Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#91

I was laid off from an over leveraged startup-type company you haven’t heard of. The search so far has been pretty bad. Probably in part because of the timing (a week before thanksgiving, but it’s the same story every time. Any job I want I won’t get and any job I don’t want I can get. I expect things to maybe pick up a little in early December, but I’m honestly kinda defeated. My last job was far from perfect, but I…

Hang in there, it's only been one week?

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#92

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Freelancer here; this time of year there is always a slowdown. Holiday vacation absences make scheduling all the right people to interview harder. I set aside extra the rest of the year to smooth over the drop off in responses late-Oct/Jan period. By February I usually get swarmed with asks to tackle projects and can pick ones that are actually interesting. Then it happens again in summer as people with enough money…

Curious what do you specialize in? Sounds like your engagements are usually like 3mos max?

3-6. But I try to line up the next one in the last 3, or right away if it’s a 3 month gig.

Lately I’ve been “specialized” in cloud ops mentorship. Lots of businesses still run monoliths, have no CICD or secops. I don’t automatically nudge them to break the monolith up; some are well organized and documented and work for the biz. Mostly I help them establish a smoother “idea to deployment” pipeline.

Though after 4 years it’s become pretty repetitive. I’ve been tinkering with the Linux kernel internals again, thinking about looking for lower level gigs.

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#93

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Honestly, German unemployment money. I'm entitled to 2/3 of my original salary for 360 days. 2/3 of my salary is enough to live on while still saving a bit of money every month. I paid all the taxes for 7-years, so I figure I should take advantage of the unemployment money.

To add some context: this is capped at EUR 2400 per month (or lower depending on state and if one has kids)

You can also only receive this for up to 12 months - afterwards you go into the much lower, somewhat notorious program nicknamed "Hartz 4". You receive funds around the poverty threshold, and they get withheld if you e.g. travel out of state unannounced of fail to attend interviews or seminars they book you for. If they think your apartment is too large for you, even if it's cheap enough, you are forced to move. Any savings you have, you are forced to spend. Unemployment life in Germany isn't as rosy as this post makes it sound. That said, the system is being replaced by a less controversial one called "citizen money" soon.

Personally, if I get laid off, I would probably also not jump on the _very_ first offer I get desperately, but try to land something good. That's what the higher amount you get for up to 12 months is quite useful for.

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#94
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I've not been laid off either. I'm currently taking a break from jobs. I'm starting to think that it's time to go back to full-time employment. But I'm looking at the job market and think it might be better to give it 4-6 months. Let all the companies that are going to do layoffs have their layoffs and then join a company still looking for new devs in a few months.

>But I'm looking at the job market and think it might be better to give it 4-6 months. I'm fascinated by this. How does one do this? Two options I can think of are being independently wealthy and being dependent on another. Are there other ways to accomplish being so comfortable with, "eh, gonna be unemployed another 4-6 months and see what happens"?

Since I graduated college, I have always:

- encouraged people and myself to hold on to about 6 months of runway because the future is unknown.

- encouraged myself and others to never have a single source of income.

- always be sharpening your skills. They get dull, redundant, and obsolete within ~5 years.

Live by these mantras, if one has the luxury to do so, and being laid off is nothing more than a disappointment.

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#95
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For those of you feeling down about being ignored, keep in mind this is the slowest hiring time of the year, with holidays and vacations, and end of year budgets. Even in down markets, hiring tends to pick up in January as managers get their hiring budgets for the new year and are back in the office. Hang in there!

For companies that do on-campus recruiting it is the busiest hiring time of year. But for experienced devs it might be a weird time to look.

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#96

Let me show you the backdoor: Find a company whose open source projects you are interested in. Dive in and and start fixing things. Then if you really like it after a couple weeks start nudging around for a job. If you do good work they'll just give it to you, no bullshit funnel required. I like this method because you aren't just doing l33t coding exercises to work on some sight unseen codebase that makes you suicid…

Im not sure why you are getting so many negative comments. For those that are interested in open source, and would be contributing to projects regardless, I think this is a great idea. Also, it sounds like a good way to distract oneself from the normal expectations/disappointment cycle of interviewing

"Doing work for free", as some others have pointed out in a negative light, is fundamental to how modern software works. If you're not contributing then you're profiting off of the minority that does...

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#97
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I've not been laid off either. I'm currently taking a break from jobs. I'm starting to think that it's time to go back to full-time employment. But I'm looking at the job market and think it might be better to give it 4-6 months. Let all the companies that are going to do layoffs have their layoffs and then join a company still looking for new devs in a few months.

>But I'm looking at the job market and think it might be better to give it 4-6 months. I'm fascinated by this. How does one do this? Two options I can think of are being independently wealthy and being dependent on another. Are there other ways to accomplish being so comfortable with, "eh, gonna be unemployed another 4-6 months and see what happens"?

I don't earn a huge US salary, but my rent and bills are less than a third of my salary. I don't have a family. If you do that for 5 years, you have 10 years of savings where you could potentially not work!

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#98
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've not been laid off either. I'm currently taking a break from jobs. I'm starting to think that it's time to go back to full-time employment. But I'm looking at the job market and think it might be better to give it 4-6 months. Let all the companies that are going to do layoffs have their layoffs and then join a company still looking for new devs in a few months.

>But I'm looking at the job market and think it might be better to give it 4-6 months. I'm fascinated by this. How does one do this? Two options I can think of are being independently wealthy and being dependent on another. Are there other ways to accomplish being so comfortable with, "eh, gonna be unemployed another 4-6 months and see what happens"?

Lots of financial ideas in this thread, but I feel this misses one point: achieving the comfort level. For me, it started with focusing on my mental health, finally getting to the realization that I'm worth taking care of, and that my non career dreams are valid and important. So jumping out of the rat race for a year to just exist as a human was an almost no brainier. I'm not getting any younger.

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#99
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I’d ask in a month. It’s still early since the layoffs. I’d guess that even for people who were laid off first, started looking immediately, and found plenty of hits, few have accepted jobs. I’m much more curious in 4-5 months. I assume VC funding is harder to get now, for example, but I don’t think that’ll make a massive impact for a little while.

I got connected to someone impacted at Twitter on Saturday, within 24 hours of them being notified they were impacted by the layoff. I talked with them for an hour that next Monday AM about the opportunities my teams have open, one of which was highly relevant to their skills, and by the time we chatted, they had 3-4 interviews with other companies scheduled. Joined the dots to the hiring manager and recruiters. They…

> cruelty

Layoff is a layoff regardless of whether you get fired over email, text or a personal call from the CEO saying how great you are. It was the latter for me several years ago and didn't sting any less.

Re: Ask HN: How's the job hunt going? (For those laid off)

#100

Let me show you the backdoor: Find a company whose open source projects you are interested in. Dive in and and start fixing things. Then if you really like it after a couple weeks start nudging around for a job. If you do good work they'll just give it to you, no bullshit funnel required. I like this method because you aren't just doing l33t coding exercises to work on some sight unseen codebase that makes you suicid…

Yup can confirm, after a decent contribution to a known apache project, had three well known companies reach out, two of which the engineering manager was the one reaching out.
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