Apple makes mistakes too with it's many hardware-related and boot loop issues. The iPhone X was practically a lemon.
The iPhone X did very well looking at the sales.
So do Android phones.
Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
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Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#92I'm not being facetious here but I have no idea what you mean by "apple quality". I've been using Macbook Pros for a long time. In my opinion "Apple Quality" died way back in 2013, possibly 2015. After that, they started introducing user-hostile phones, laptops, etc. The touchbar is a travesty and now you have to pay more money to have a normal experience. The feeling of the laptops and aesthetics are nice but the pa…
> If you want actual quality there is better for far, far cheaper
Where?
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#93Apple is a "design first, technology second." company. That is rare in the technology space. They are more like a fashion company.
https://www.wired.com/insights/2013/11/jony-ive-and-the-geni...
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a weird take. I can certainly tell all sorts of differences between Apple and non-Apple products. A short list of the major things that I think set Apple-quality apart: Zero effort towards backward-compatibility or longevity, just force users to buy new hardware constantly. Actively hostile towards hardware interoperability, just force users to buy adapters. Actively hostile towards independently developed so…
> Zero effort towards backward-compatibility or longevity, just force users to buy new hardware constantly. Is that why you can install iOS 16 (the most recent version) on an iPhone 8 from 2017?
It's why you can't install the same app that worked on your iPhone 8 when you bought it, today. It's the reason you can't install one that worked two years ago unless the developer is constantly keeping up with Apple's mercurial and inscrutable os-level API changes. Apple breaks APIs regularly and you're left hoping a dev wants to do free work to keep it working for people who already bought it.
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Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Both my iphone my MBA are now 4 years old. Both are absolutely fine and short of accidental damage I expect them to last me at least another couple of years. In all the time I have been forced to use windows laptops that were of “premium” quality, I have never ever had one last into its third year. So could it be that pre-2015 apple products were better quality? Probably. However, I don’t think we can say that curren…
> In all the time I have been forced to use windows laptops that were of “premium” quality, I have never ever had one last into its third year. I've heard this often and I find it baffling. I've replaced only one PC in my lifetime when it quit working. Everything else I've replaced at 5-6 years old while working fine. Dells, system 76, Lenovo's, Asus, they've all held together fine. Heck my old windows 95 Toshiba sti…
I just retired a MacBook Pro 2008 this year that my wife has been using daily since 2015 because its battery started swelling. That device started its life as my traveling work rig in late 2008 and served me well until 2015 when I gave it to the wife as her personal device.
I think the total lifespan was just over 13 years from unboxing to retirement. Hundreds of flights that device traveled with me. Had two Dells, one lasted 18 months (cracked case). One almost 3 years (broken hinge). Bought a MBA 2018 and it works and looks as well as the day it was unboxed despite tons of time traveling.