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Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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May have billed a specific time span, but also had commits during that span. Dunno how they proved the github account belonged to the contractor though unless they just admitted to it or used the company email to register.

He probably used the same GitHub for both their repos. I don't see how otherwise it could be connected. Not so bright.

His github username was easily found from his linkedin account.

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This shit has been going on for the last 5 years or more. I've seen it with non-asian candidates.

China employs non-Chinese to track and interfere with dissidents and critics of China in the US https://news.artnet.com/art-world/us-blames-china-operatives... and of course, plenty of Russians and Iranians are non-Asian (in appearance, Persia is in Asia of course)

Russia is partly asia as well.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Ug... as someone that one day would like to work remote this is infuriating. Anyone who is doing this, you're destroying trust and making life hard for the rest of us.

I'm not sure if it's just "remote" or also aiming for cheap overseas contractors. As a senior remote US employee I don't see how any of the companies I interviewed with would even allow past screening not turning on camera or other tricks like this.

As a New Zealander, unfortunately, I fall into the category of cheap overseas contractor. With our weak dollar working for a US company is a good way to earn above average. We're still much more expensive than some of the cheaper countries. In fact we're currently working with a Vietnamese contractor. He is very good and much cheaper than a local hire.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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I have been involved in hiring for years. I saw this happen for the first time a month ago. It makes me wonder if some Discord/Slack/Telegram group has recently been organized around this dubious "life hack" strategy.

overemployed.com

Some of it's probably just creative writing or people bullshitting on the internet though.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job description fraud?

The job market is a market. Nobody owes you anything. In most job fields the buyer has the leverage over the seller so the buyers will go out of their way to press that leverage (low pay, low benefits, impossible demands etc). It just happens that in a few fields the seller has the advantage so they're doing the same thing to you. My point is you have to accept it and move on, because things like this happen all the time and won't ever stop.

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Not only have I seen this several times, I've also encountered multiple instances of "over-employed" software engineers, who are doing 2-3 full time salaried positions from home, at the same time. This is surprisingly easy to get away with unnoticed in the US tax system, as you get a separate W2 from each employer. It's genuinely a lot more difficult to do this in some other countries. There's even this service now offered to let employers try to catch this:

> https://theworknumber.com/

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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what exactly is the endgame?

There are a lot of people who believe they can fake it until they make it, and they also often think that everyone fakes it until they make it, as well. That's the end game, doing whatever it takes until they make it.

Pretty much every new grad is faking it until they make it.

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This is exactly why the technical interview process is what it is. No point wasting time asking about backgrounds and describing past projects (all of it can be easily faked). Make them write code in front of you live as part of the screening round.

The coding portion is the easiest to cheat on. I know because I interviewed someone who did cheat. She shared her screen with someone else and had someone talking her through the interview. Somehow the audio feeds crossed, and I heard the guy speaking.

The person on the other end is probably just googling keywords from whatever question you ask. You can throw them off by asking followup questions or adding new constraints.

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> A third contractor I knew was trying to do two jobs at the same time. I mean this literally how contractors work. Unless they were taking your IP and using it for another company I don’t see the issue.

Not if you're charging hourly, it's not. Then it's time fraud. It's just like a lawyer's billable hours.

only if you charge hourly to two companies at the same time. Contractors can work multiple contracts, thats the name of the game.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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> while he was supposed to be working for one company he was making public github commits for the second If you're setting their hours, doesn't that make them an employee rather than a contractor, legally speaking?

Maybe it's not a real contractor. I had one job where I was a "contractor", I had set hours, got paid hourly, received a w2. It seemed like just an excuse to be cheap and not provide benefits.

You can be on a W2, but as soon as the contract ends, your employment ends since you're "at will" in the US.

Usually the W2 is provided through an agency and you're getting a paycheck from them while the agency is billing the company for hours at a negotiated rate, often much higher than you're being paid.

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