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Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#91
Another issue with copy + paste is that history isn’t preserved. Why a clipboard manager isn’t a piece of the OS is a mystery to me.

Every so often I wonder how much data is lost by copying over the copy and then finding the initial copy is gone.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#92
It gets worse: on Microsoft Edge I have to wait half a second or so after selecting text before I press Ctrl-C. If I try to copy too fast it won't copy.

Yes, this "cloud clipboard" thing is off, verbatim copy is on. i have no idea why on earth they do this, but there is some three dots overlay popping up after selecting text.

I have no plugins or similar installed. It drives me crazy.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#93
If copy-paste didn't copy formatting it'd be impossible to copy formatting without a special other interaction - it's usually easy enough to get around this behavior by either using ctrl+shift+v or else paste into a plain text editor and copy out of there.

I almost never appreciate this feature but I can comprehend why it exist and it'd be extremely awkward for users that rely on it if it didn't.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#94

It seems most of my posts here end up being a complaint about MS Teams. So here is another. Teams will happily take the formatting of "black text" from copying from Word for example. But anyone who is using a dark theme on Teams now can't read it because it "intelligently" kept the formatting that didn't even matter because it was just "plain back text". Had it been copied from something that didn't specify that form…

It also brings over "On 13:05pm on 5/2/2010, linuxdaemon said:"

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#95
As some have pointed out, CTRL+SHIFT+V will save you here on Windows.

It was annoying before I learned this trick; I had been using Notepad instead to strip formatting.

With the shortcut, this is fine for me for most apps.

What drives me barking, raving, drooling mad is the fact that it is possible for an app to lock the clipboard. Bad apps will silently cause the clipboard to fail to update, which leads to the attentive interrupting their work to go back and re-copy. The less attentive, this leads to them sending a message they did not intend to send!

Bad apps locking the clipboard have been around for a long time now, but seem to have been becoming more common lately. As near as I can tell the locking behavior started with Windows 7, but may have actually been Vista (I never used Vista for my day-to-day work, just test environment).

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#96
I think it kinda makes sense when you are using other Office tools. Formatting in that case might be something user wants.

The insane perversion comes from copying from VSCode where you get even the background colour?!?! Or the fun thing that copying formatting sometimes works from Linux running in Virtualbox...

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

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post #95

As some have pointed out, CTRL+SHIFT+V will save you here on Windows. It was annoying before I learned this trick; I had been using Notepad instead to strip formatting. With the shortcut, this is fine for me for most apps. What drives me barking, raving, drooling mad is the fact that it is possible for an app to lock the clipboard. Bad apps will silently cause the clipboard to fail to update, which leads to the atten…

I wonder if there is a similar workaround in MacOS. I've gotten quite used to putting things in Sublime as an intermediate step to strip formatting, I'd love to be able to skip that.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#98
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Mac you can do shift+option+command+v to paste with formatting removed.

I think you just need to add shift, option is not necessary.

Option was required in every app I've ever tried this in... do you somehow have different keybindings than me?

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

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post #95

As some have pointed out, CTRL+SHIFT+V will save you here on Windows. It was annoying before I learned this trick; I had been using Notepad instead to strip formatting. With the shortcut, this is fine for me for most apps. What drives me barking, raving, drooling mad is the fact that it is possible for an app to lock the clipboard. Bad apps will silently cause the clipboard to fail to update, which leads to the atten…

I wonder if there is a similar workaround in MacOS. I've gotten quite used to putting things in Sublime as an intermediate step to strip formatting, I'd love to be able to skip that.

Command-option-shift-V or "claw paste" as I call it
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