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Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I'd say just unlucky. My Thinkpad Carbon X1 is rock solid, no issues the last 1.5 years even though my large cat frequently sleeps on it.

I want to like the carbon but the lack of AMD options and a hard cap of 16 GB of RAM keep me away.

Not sure where you get that RAM cap from. I have 32GB in my X1.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Work just upgraded me to an HP EliteBook 835 G8. It's got a Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U and 24GB of RAM. I do mostly .NET/ASP.NET development and it's seriously fantastic. Form factor is good, repairability is good (granted our company is also an HP authorized service center), I/O is good (really only missing eth), and it has a matte display with a touchscreen. I really think that Apple devices get so much clout mostly due to…

"What happens when my logic board inevitably dies? All of my data on that device is toast with no way to recover it." Backups are your friend. Backblaze, Arq, etc etc etc. Tons of cheap options out there.

Backups are important, but what I also think is important is that an entire laptop shouldn't become garbage just because a soldered component on it fails.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Stay with the "Mac way". It's far better than Windows. Take disk imaging, for example. As far as I'm aware you need special software to image a Windows system but with Mac OS X it's a feature. OS X is also BSD Unix so you have far superior cli.

There is a third option :)

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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That's the thing. We spend a huge amount of time using computers. Considering not just the share of time but also the share of concentrated attention, they are an even more important object in our lives. Why would you not desire the tool you use to be the absolute best you can have? And if eating cornflakes is important to you, the Laguioles may be worth it. After all, they will probably last ten years or twenty. Com…

TBF Apple sold very expensive laptops with shoddy faulty keyboards for YEARS. People idolize and idealize Apple but tend to ignore the faults and failures. I truly believe Apple does not respect their customers. They have some good product and some bad ones too.

I think the keyboard issue was overblown given what we saw at work with those machines. That said, the one person on my team with a failed keyboard was able to get it fixed very easily.

One thing that makes me tend to prefer Apple is the stores and support. I recall support for HP and VAIO computers being extremely painful. PC manufacturers have so many models they don’t even have parts available for a computer that was being sold last year. That was my experience with a Samsung laptop.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Because every other computer manufacturer realized they can save on the BOM cost by shoving the whole computer under plastic gingerbread. That weight distribution? It'd cost way too much to redesign the product correctly. Flickering redraws? We don't make the OS, we just sell Microsoft's. Occasionally you do see PC OEMs that try for taste in the Windows ecosystem. Sony did that with their VAIO laptops, with the somew…

All true, but why is the culture and aesthetic of computers inherently trashy? Look at all the fields where superior quality is a completely natural criterion (whether it exists may be another question): Watches, cars, pens, paper notebooks, furniture, fashion, jewellery, architecture, bikes, coffee machines ... What's more - if you look at the visual representations of computers - i.e. marketing material, art, illus…

> All true, but why is the culture and aesthetic of computers inherently trashy?

Because it needs to be affordable to the masses as a whole, and not just the upper middle class and up.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I run a Dell XPS Developer Edition with Ubuntu preinstalled. I have had 0 problems with it. The only additional thing I did was disable the touchscreen because I never used it, but it did work.

I think you're likely going to encounter some faulty equipment from any vendor. I have enough family who swear by macbooks to know that the grass isn't much greener from their side and their hardware breaks too. I would be hesitant to switch ecosystems over 2 bad experiences.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I may be an outlier, but for me, the problem with non-mac machines is that they seem just careless. Steve jobs famously said "The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste.", and this seems true to me for almost all hardware manufacturers, and to a larger degree still for software. Why does nobody care about creaking plastic? About sticky-feeling texture? About uneven weight distribution? About the sound…

Jewellery is a great analogy imo. Apple is a jewellery company imo. They sell expensive, shiny, conspicuous consumption items without practical use.

I was shocked when I found out that macs are popular among people who actually work with computers and even make software. It will never cease to shock me. The only explanation I can think of is that this is a USA social class thing. In the USA the upper classes have Apple stuff and the lower classes have something else. Most people in software come from an upper or upper-middle background so they grow up in an Apple house. Those who don't get Apple anyway to blend in.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I had bad luck with the top spec 13" DELL XPS (2021) - Fan was loud, and audio jack randomly failed to detect headphones. Webcam was mediocre, audio quality was really really poor. It was ok for a machine that was only used for coding, but wasn't great for remote work / conferencing. Replaced with the M1 equipped 13" macbook which was about £400 cheaper (although also lower spec) and I'm very happy since. Despite the lower spec it does almost everything much faster. The only nuisance I had was a few Terraform providers not being released for ARM, and the occasional Docker woes with a few obscure images. The Macbook's overall quality and versatility beats the XPS by a good margin for my purposes.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I dream of a device that's basically a laptop without a screen, keyboard, trackpad, etc. Just plug it into a usb-c hub it restores everything from where I left off last time. Then once I'm done put it in my pocket and go. Then if I do want a laptop I could buy a chassis with a battery, keyboard, trackpad, screen, etc, etc to dock my device above in to. Edit: Seriously considering taking the motherboard out of a steam…

Sounds like the Librem 5 would fit your bill. Or some single-board computer with USB-C.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What happens when my logic board inevitably dies? All of my data on that device is toast with no way to recover it." Backups are your friend. Backblaze, Arq, etc etc etc. Tons of cheap options out there.

Backups are important, but what I also think is important is that an entire laptop shouldn't become garbage just because a soldered component on it fails.

It’s not garbage. Just replace the motherboard.
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