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Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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post #84

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sounds too extreme

I thought so too. I hoped I'd never have to be this way. It's not just stolen money from a bank account or a hacked Instagram. It could be life or death.

> It could be life or death.

What does this mean? Isn't it better to teach them how to be safe so when they grow up they will be safe? Instead of teaching them nothing but to not trust you?

Once your monitoring no longer exists on their devices, what do you think they'd do?

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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We recently threw out everything we thought about surveillance, privacy, liberty, and learning through experience when it comes to our kids' access to the Internet. They now have no phone. The computer has a whitelist of sites it can visit and a few ports open for some games. It only gets used with the door open. I disable the Internet completely between the hours of 10pm and 6am. I am looking into even more big brot…

This is insanity. You cannot protect children forever. What will you do if your kids go to a friend’s house and have access to devices which are not heavily restricted? What if a friend comes over with their own similar device? As a child of parents who did similar things as you are doing, I can say confidently that it did not protect me, it created a resentment towards my parents, and it increased my motivation to break rules in general.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

#94
For a tech-illiterate aging relative:

* iPhone SE

* Gmail account

* WhatsApp account

* Everything set to auto-update

* Good passwords, written down on paper kept safely

* Never install any apps without me

* Call me if you are ever worried about any email or message

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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post #57

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Life is finite

Data is forever

"A datum is forever" - De Nerds circa 2022, inspired by a quip from one royaltjames of the same era

I like this a lot more than the De Beers campaign popularized in the late 1940s[0]!

[0]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-yo...

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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We recently threw out everything we thought about surveillance, privacy, liberty, and learning through experience when it comes to our kids' access to the Internet. They now have no phone. The computer has a whitelist of sites it can visit and a few ports open for some games. It only gets used with the door open. I disable the Internet completely between the hours of 10pm and 6am. I am looking into even more big brot…

They're using their friend's phones at school, unless you homeschool them.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

#97
I have a wife and 2 kids under 13.

- We have a phone that never leaves home and has no SIM card. We use it for banking apps and 2FA critical services.

- So our "street phones" don't have any banking apps installed, nor social media apps, 2FA nor password managers.

- We have a paper notebook with secrets and 2FA recovery codes in the bookshelf sitting among many other notebooks and old dusty random stuff.

- Our kid's phones have DNS pointing to Cloudflare's family filter server. Their YouTube accounts are set to filter adult content.

- We use BitWarden family plan for sharing passwords among us.

- We use a Keybase team to share documents between us and our personal devices. Everything is, in theory, encrypted and we can revoke the device in case it gets lost/stolen.

- Our laptops have luks drive encryption and we transport them turned-off. So in case they are lost/stolen, data in the drives are unreadable.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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post #83

This post reminds me of a huge win I had, recently. I had convinced my wife (who is not of the tech world) to switch to a password manager a couple years ago, and while she didn't love it, she's now totally on board. My mother runs a fairly successful small online business and kept getting BS charges on her business cards along with other various occurrences. She and her employees were sharing a couple passwords for…

For non-tech folks, I have been at loss to figure out how to convince them to use a password manager! Easy passwords repeated over and over again, and saved in plain text on one of the apps which itself has a simple password is the workflow that I'm seeing all the time. And tried many different ways to convince using a password manager and then forgetting about passwords but to no success. There's always this reluctance to change the workflow that they've been using for a decade or more

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Is this a disaster waiting to happen if visa/mc one day flip the switch on name verification? Beyond that, for the type of tracking and fingerprinting done today, how relevant is your name actually?

> Is this a disaster waiting to happen if visa/mc one day flip the switch on name verification? Doesn't even have to be that big of a policy change; if Facebook gets suspicious about you using a fake name or various other scenarios, they'll lock your account until you provide a scan of a passport or state ID.

You are assuming that a person who is cautious about privacy, uses facebook. Unlikely. However, I have been in that alley. I renamed my facebook account yearly, until it got blocked indeed. But then again, there are some great ID .psd templates out there:P solved it immediately.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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post #41

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Maybe you're a very high profile individual that this matters beyond paranoia? I've always used my name for signups, and I have a very unique name, probably the only one on the whole planet. It has affected my life in no meaningful / noticeably negative way.

The reason I do this is that there are fascinating and unpredictable interactions between behavior and identity that extend out into the indeterminate future. If we assume this information persists forever - and we might as well - it represents infinite liability and risk whereas the mitigations I have proposed cost almost nothing. Or, to put it another way, it's very cheap insurance.

You're saying the word "unpredictable" but with cognitive dissonance, because you are predicting disaster.

If it is truly unpredictable, then you may be diminishing something which may actually be beneficial and necessary in the future.

This obfuscated data which may or may not be linked to you (or the lack of data entirely, a void which certainly is linked to you) is itself forever persistent and represents its own infinite liability.

Not to say that you're wrong or right, just pointing out that your claim of somehow rising above this system is bogus. No matter what we do, our mark (be it a shadow profile or a void) is left, and perceptions will form around it that cannot be predicted.

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