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Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by throwmeariver1 »

troad wrote: post #58
michelb wrote: post #44

Since the move to Electron, Evernote has become a dumpster fire. It's considerably slower in everything and no longer supports standard native affordances. I've moved my 12k notes to Apple Notes and the difference is staggering.

Out of the frying pan and into the fire, eh? Sure, Apple Notes may have native window resize, but can you tell if the app is syncing right now? When was the last sync? What happens in case of a versioning clash? Will it decide to work with patchy Internet on that upcoming train ride? Will it sync once you go back online? Will it decide to party with some random Exchange server you used for work once, and how will thi…

Never lost a note with apple notes lost a lot of notes with Evernote. anecdotal but I personally don't care about empirical data in regards of myself.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by seanhunter »

kmarc wrote: post #17

While I cannot comment on what changed in Evernote, eventually someone unhelpfully will ask you "WHAT? You didn't have backup?!", which is kind of a legit question. Until then, on Evernote's Tos [1] scroll down to "What Else Do I Need to Know?" and read point f) of section "YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE That". In summary, it says they are not in any way reaponsible for your data loss. Reading in-between the line…

> "WHAT? You didn't have backup?!", which is kind of a legit question.

No it's not, and it's interesting that you recognise yourself that it's unhelpful and lead with it anyway with a disingenuous wording of "eventually someone unhelpfully will ask you".

You're just blaming the victim for the failure of the provider. Yes the risk would have been mitigated had they had a backup, and of course that's a very good thing to do but that doesn't make evernote any less culpable nor does it make your question any more legit or any less unhelpful.

In software/Saas somehow people think it's ok to blame the user for not doing things to work around the services provider providing buggy software or an inferior service. Referring to the TOS doesn't change this.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by joshspankit »

causality0 wrote: post #81
DangerousPie wrote: post #30

Maybe this is just me getting old, but I feel like Evernote has only gotten worse since I started using it over 10 years ago. Back then it was just a list of notes with some formatting and sync capabilities - perfect. These days they have added all these extra features which I don't need, and which have made the whole app slow and terribly clunky. When I use the iPad app it takes several seconds to load notes or sear…

Evernote has only gotten worse since I started using it over 10 years ago That is the modern business model. First you build something so good it becomes indespensible then you squeeze money out of it until your customers hate you just enough to not stop using you.

This is what I call “cashing out the social capital”.

I don’t know if I’d call it a business model, but it’s certainly something that many modern businesses do.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by maccard »

netsharc wrote: post #90
causality0 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evernote has only gotten worse since I started using it over 10 years ago That is the modern business model. First you build something so good it becomes indespensible then you squeeze money out of it until your customers hate you just enough to not stop using you.

I had an idea for a website: crowd-maintained list of downgrades for products, e.g. "Product: Twitter, Feature: login nag-wall when you scroll down. First Noticed: $month 2021,; Feature: killed the open API, Date: ___", etc. I still have the idea, if anyone wants to implement it, feel free.

I bet you would get a much better conversion rate if you implemented a login wall on that service though!

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by elcapitan »

I was equally hooked on Evernote as a main driver both for work and personal notes for many years, but switched to Joplin in 2020, and never looked back. It's also much better for development-related notes, as it supports markdown and syntax highlighting for code snippets. The only downside to me is the crazy large binary, but I can live with that.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by seanhunter »

Quite agree, and as a paid user myself I would strongly recommend you don't go paid.

Evernote just keeps getting worse. They add things with negative utility (like the annoying new "home" screen that you have to click past to get to your actual notes while basic features like "search", and the app's speed are significantly worse than they were a few years back.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by abatilo »

DangerousPie wrote: post #30

Maybe this is just me getting old, but I feel like Evernote has only gotten worse since I started using it over 10 years ago. Back then it was just a list of notes with some formatting and sync capabilities - perfect. These days they have added all these extra features which I don't need, and which have made the whole app slow and terribly clunky. When I use the iPad app it takes several seconds to load notes or sear…

I switched from Evernote to obsidian.md last year and am very happy with my purchase. You have to pay for the ability to sync between devices but I'm okay with that.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by joshspankit »

ungamedplayer wrote: post #31
klausjensen wrote: post #12

I still use Evernote for scanned documents (invoices, receipts, insurance papers etc etc), and have done so for ~10 years - because I can free-text search in scanned documents. During those years, Evernote has kept getting worse and worse, becomeing slower and more unreliable at doing cores things, while they slap features on it, that I do not want (collaboration, chat and other garbage). I want to migrate off at som…

Has this changed your mind about hosted third party services? I have seen a number of people bitten by this kind of vendor behaviour, but they swiftly go back to making the same mistake.

It’s certainly changed my mind.

Now, part of my vetting process for new services is “can I not just get my data out, but also the metadata I care about?”. That’s done with the first few projects/documents/whatever, and then because of being bitten in the past, I know I must do the same export at least twice a year in order to know that the company has not silently restricted it.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Post by fguerraz »

randomluck040 wrote: post #61
mszcz wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nice but it's slow. Would love to have a solution that combined Notion's capabilities with Sublime Text's speed and maybe JetBrains's ability to work with keyboard shortcuts.

You might take a look at Obsidian. For me it’s the best of two (or how many you like) worlds. You can sync your files via git or a cloud service of your liking. What bugs me is that it’s not open source but what makes it great is a lot of open source developers contributing plugins and themes.

I know it's biased because it's an opinion from a competitor, but it's interesting nevertheless:

https://blog.standardnotes.com/33536/how-not-to-build-a-secu...

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