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Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

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Could you give a couple of examples of the black holing you've seen?

In slovenia, at least these two are blocked at the DNS level: https://www.rt.com/ https://sputniknews.com/

Interestingly enough, the 'academic network' (arnes) that covers schools etc., and also some government entities is not blocking it, but atleast two out of the three largest commercial ISP are (can't test the third, since it's locked to their customers' IPs only).

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#92

You could just run a recursive resolver yourself by using the root hints. You don't need to delegate your DNS queries onto a third-party resolver like Quad9. https://www.iana.org/domains/root/files

Thanks for that, appreciated. I'll be honest- I'm just a 'little guy' in the food chain so I always figured that doing something like that was for the ISP level folks One quick question though - After taking a quick skim of it the list seems to be extremely 'Western-Centric' (reference link https://www.internic.net/domain/named.root )

> I'm just a 'little guy' in the food chain so I always figured that doing something like that was for the ISP level folks

A lot of people are running recursive resolvers at home (like pi-hole stuff, or most people running some custom openwrt router/modem). I'm running one on my laptop (my resolver is localhost) and it works great.

> After taking a quick skim of it the list seems to be extremely 'Western-Centric'

It is, but that's what the internet is. But by running your own recursive resolver you can control your cache and a lot of the data doesn't change often. If you're extra paranoid you can cache the record data (or even archive the history) for ccTLD (or even all TLDs). For stuff (domains) you're interested in you can also hard-code or otherwise program "non-standard" ways to resolve the ips (by somehow populating a local database that overrides recursive resolution), like pi-hole/safebrowsing blocklists, stuff from institutions or CDNs you trust.

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#93

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Can you point to the evidence that Google DNS is used for analytics?

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy

> Google does not use any personal information collected through the Public DNS service to target ads.

> We do not correlate or associate personal information in Google Public DNS logs with your information from use of any other Google service except for addressing security and abuse.

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In slovenia, at least these two are blocked at the DNS level: https://www.rt.com/ https://sputniknews.com/

Interestingly enough, the 'academic network' (arnes) that covers schools etc., and also some government entities is not blocking it, but atleast two out of the three largest commercial ISP are (can't test the third, since it's locked to their customers' IPs only).

Because the russian media mafia (tacc, rt, sputnik and the like, which are all either directly state-owned or via the state-owned tv novosti) are about to be banned in all EU countries where they are still available, and the ISPs might have banned them pro-actively.

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#95

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DNS[0] is only a decentralized hierarchy with caching, a class of system which pre-dates the digital era as the de-facto means of political and military organization in any human society larger than a village or town. DNS as a directory system for IP is could itself be viewed as a direct philosophical descendant of military insignia (perhaps via the then-popular branch-tangent of the telephone book, itself ex-telegra…

> I don't think arguing this is a "western" invention is very convincing or useful. Any ancient army or polity of any size would have had an equivalent, which would then include ancient Egypt, China[2], India, Mesopotamia[3], Mesoamerica, etc. And yet, none of these other regions and cultures actually did invent it, and thus it remains a Western invention.

Of course. However, my point was the originality and claim to authorship is low, because if you look at store and forward networks with centrally agreed node identification and local caching using that for routing purposes, humans have literally done it globally for 3000+ years... that's clear prior art.

It's like "technology" being used to describe a bash script, or "invention" used to describe a standard algorithm.

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#96

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By that same token the internet was invented by the first person to hand gesture to another one. You can’t dilute DNS down to a directory because there were/and are already other directory protocols.

Walking gets you from A to B just like a car, so actually the first bipeds really invented the automobile.

It's more like describing a walking robot as an original invention, which it is, but all they really did was ape apes.

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#97

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https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy

> Google does not use any personal information collected through the Public DNS service to target ads. > We do not correlate or associate personal information in Google Public DNS logs with your information from use of any other Google service except for addressing security and abuse.

Yes they claim that they don’t use the personal information they collect to target ads.

It doesn’t mean they don’t use the other data for analytics. They could also anonymise the personal information first before using it to do analytics. Like “users who visit example.com also visit “store.example.net” is good information and they don’t need your personal information for that.

Why do they collect personal information? Why do they collect dns logs ?

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#98

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As are many Western inventions

DNS[0] is only a decentralized hierarchy with caching, a class of system which pre-dates the digital era as the de-facto means of political and military organization in any human society larger than a village or town. DNS as a directory system for IP is could itself be viewed as a direct philosophical descendant of military insignia (perhaps via the then-popular branch-tangent of the telephone book, itself ex-telegra…

You've been nerdsniped my friend! bazinga

Re: Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers?

#99

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> I don't think arguing this is a "western" invention is very convincing or useful. Any ancient army or polity of any size would have had an equivalent, which would then include ancient Egypt, China[2], India, Mesopotamia[3], Mesoamerica, etc. And yet, none of these other regions and cultures actually did invent it, and thus it remains a Western invention.

Of course. However, my point was the originality and claim to authorship is low, because if you look at store and forward networks with centrally agreed node identification and local caching using that for routing purposes, humans have literally done it globally for 3000+ years... that's clear prior art. It's like "technology" being used to describe a bash script, or "invention" used to describe a standard algorithm.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc883#page-72
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