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Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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Somebody please make OkCupid for Jobs. Both employers and applicants fill out questions that the community curates (so they can be job-specific, industry-specific, etc). Both employers and employees get matches via algorithm rather than receiving 100 random resumes or 100 random job suggestions that have nothing to do with you. Existing sites do this, but very poorly, because they only try to detect information out o…

KeyValues does just this: https://keyvalues.com "Find engineering teams that share your values" (No affiliation, just a fan)

Wow - I love it. That's how I'd hope to build a job site. Love the long form company descriptions. Will have a think about DDG's idea of a "DRI".

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

#92
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd also like to see cover letters replaced by something more useful for both parties, like a small set of direct questions to answer. This "small set of direct questions," in my opinion, is implicit in the job description/duties and desired qualifications. Employers lately have had challenges in job definition, of course (they seem interested in advertising for the company rather than a job, and the job descriptio…

What is the response rate to those postal mails you send? And who do you address them to (do you find the name of the recruiter or just address it to the general company) That’s a very interesting tactic.

> What is the response rate to those postal mails you send? And who do you address them to (do you find the name of the recruiter or just address it to the general company)

I don't do this often, so I'd be wary of reading in too much. In each case, I got an interview and one job, though that took awhile. (The hiring manager did not comment on the letter, but rather on the table at the top—probably because I couldn't find his name.)

I try to find the appropriate person to contact through LinkedIn, ideally a manager in the department of interest; I wrote to a (small) company president once, too. I try to avoid recruiters if I can help it, though my bias against them is perhaps a little uncharitable. The goals are two: to sidestep the usual application process through a little elbow grease and to differentiate myself in the candidate pool. I'm probably a pretty average programmer, and this has been a useful tool for me.

In the past, cover letters were usually a weak point because I would use boilerplate language that comes across as a bit canned. I've had the luxury lately of not having to do this: the letters were all written for companies I thought I really wanted to work for, so the interest was genuine and (hopefully) came across that way.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

#93
I'm very late to this thread but want to mention OfferZen[1]. They are massive in the dev job seeking space in South Africa, and I think as of recently a country or two in Europe. The company was conceived in SiValley but the founders opted to come back home to RSA to try it out[2].

The gist of how it works as a dev is that you do an automated entrance test (if you're a junior - and it was quite easy IME), and once you are in you set up your profile and wait for companies to contact you about positions they want to fill. You then decide (with input from your assigned 'career coach' if you wish) whether you want to go forward with an interview etc. For myself and everyone I've spoken to who has used the service, it was a great experience. Infinitely better than trawling through Indeed and such.

More reading here[3]

[1] https://www.offerzen.com/

[2] https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/328018

[3] http://docs.offerzen.com/en/articles/5977855-what-makes-job-...

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

#94
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd also like to see cover letters replaced by something more useful for both parties, like a small set of direct questions to answer. This "small set of direct questions," in my opinion, is implicit in the job description/duties and desired qualifications. Employers lately have had challenges in job definition, of course (they seem interested in advertising for the company rather than a job, and the job descriptio…

> prepend my resume with a table containing the job requirements vs. my experience That's an interesting approach. But what I think gets somewhat lost in this, and why I don't quite think a job description serves as that set of questions, is that there's so much more color and character (culture?) that can come through if the questions are good. For example, a bad question, or something that should satisfied by the J…

> A better question might be "Why are you interested in building X for Y industry?"

If the JD is building X for Y industry, I'd think a cover letter might address this. Sometimes, of course, we're in the position of doing a bit of spray-and-pray when it comes to application...but generally I try to make sure the cover letter justifies sending the resume at all: here's my interest, your needs, and some more information if you want to read further.

> What's missing is clarity and direction for the less quantifiable bits. Done right, it could be like a low-pressure, no-expectations first interview in lieu of a crap email that's tedious to write, tedious to read, and likely only helps a hirer understand whether the applicant can write a good cover letter.

I think you're basically right here: the interview process is challenging because it's a bit like a first date and you really want to know what the marriage is going to be like. That's why, I think, some companies have shifted away from being very clear about what they're asking for and more towards trying to find personality, adaptability, and retention fits: it maximizes their ROI by ensuring they get people they like, who can change as needed, and who will stick around. The challenge for applicants, of course, is that they no longer really know "What am I going to do?" and "Am I qualified for this?" or "How much do I need to learn?" There's a lot of comfort in competence!

I wouldn't underestimate the value of communication—including the ability to write a cover letter. I resented, at first, that I found myself in more forward-facing positions in my career, because I wanted to spend more time in technical work. But it's been a suitable way to get paid while enjoying time programming, too.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

#95

Somebody please make OkCupid for Jobs. Both employers and applicants fill out questions that the community curates (so they can be job-specific, industry-specific, etc). Both employers and employees get matches via algorithm rather than receiving 100 random resumes or 100 random job suggestions that have nothing to do with you. Existing sites do this, but very poorly, because they only try to detect information out o…

This is a really good idea.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

#97

Somebody please make OkCupid for Jobs. Both employers and applicants fill out questions that the community curates (so they can be job-specific, industry-specific, etc). Both employers and employees get matches via algorithm rather than receiving 100 random resumes or 100 random job suggestions that have nothing to do with you. Existing sites do this, but very poorly, because they only try to detect information out o…

What I'd really love to see is a way to find candidates via their former employers. As a CTO who recruits in a specific industry, I need to find employees who used to work at companies A, B, C.

sidebar - if your hiring criteria demands people who've worked at A,B,C companies before (either one, multiple, or all) ... you're artificially limiting yourself to a tiny portion of the potential candidate pool

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

#98

For people like me, who have not heard about this: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/415293/sunsetting-j... > Jobs and Developer Story will no longer be supported as of April 1, 2022.

Wow, thanks, I had no idea. I even missed the previous HN thread on it (I follow HN150 on Twitter, so mostly only check out stories that hit 150 points). What’s crazy is that I haven’t received a single email about them deprecating Jobs. I think they have my most up-to-date resume, so I may have lost that (maybe they’ll send something out later this month, but seems like most companies give a longer heads-up when dep…

You've still got a few days (up to March 31st)! You can save it as PDF directly from your Developer Story, but if you want it in another format, you'll have to use a third party tool.

Shameless plug: I was pretty bummed too, so I built a JSON exporter that anyone can use: https://developerstory.dev/stackoverflow

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