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Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#91
Social anxiety is the norm. We are all faking it. It takes practice, just like any other skill. How have you built your existing skills? You’ve put yourself in situations where you could practice. Social skills are the same, you have to seek out interaction. Do it at a pace that doesn’t give you panic attacks. And be nice to yourself when you screw up (think how often you screw up in math or programming - and you don’t beat yourself up!)

I’ve seen some good suggestions in the comments about social opportunities. But let your curiosity drive you. For some people it’s a jiu jitsu gym, for others it’s church. Other people have D&D or Magic. Just pick something and approach it with your engineering practicality.

Most importantly, above everything, go talk to a mental health professional and tel them you are experiencing depression and thinking about suicide.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#92
Hi, great idea to reach out here. There are lots of people that can relate to your situation, including me.

Being a bit socially outcast at 23 is emotionally hard, and I know it sux, but it's not as bad as it might seem. You still are young, and if that's not what you want from life, there is hope for things to change.

You have spent the last decade on solo interests, so you haven't learned some of your peers' social skills. That's okay, you can learn them.

The problem is that most of the people around you will be interacting in a way that you don't understand. Some people you might think are a bit lower IQ will be performing on a social level that you might not understand yet.

The way to get there is much like the way you got there with math and programming. You had an interest, and you practiced. You probably started very frustratedly, but you kept going because it was fun. You have to try this with people. It is fun to meet new people and talk with them. One problem is there are all these social rules and conventions that you are going to get wrong. The problem with getting things wrong in a social setting is that we feel rejected when it happens. Learning to recover from that is the key. It's not going to be easy when you are feeling depressed. Talking to a therapist would help if you can afford it. Develop some strategies to deal with this, and you will thrive. Most people don't care if you are awkward. They want friends just as much as you do.

I'd advise that you don't try to start with romantic relationships right away. Starting with something a little more shallow might help. Just hanging out with people will help, and there is less emotional risk.

I'd try to find something that forces you to interact with people. Find a group or club to join—something that you feel bad about not attending. Also, feel free to switch groups if you don't like it. After a year or so, you are going to feel much better dealing with people.

Also, don't feel bad about Tinder. It's not a good option. You are far better off meeting people through shared interests. You are also going to be in a great place in a few years. You will earn more than most and have less baggage from past relationships; you'll be a catch.

You can do this, it can get better, and you have a bright future ahead.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#93
You haven’t demonstrated very well that you’re a complete failure in life! You appear to have lived a surprisingly productive life for someone so young, and I see no evidence of the extreme sociopathic behavior I would have to see in order to conclude that someone was a failure. And few of us have it together at 23.

You obviously do seem to be depressed, and it wouldn’t hurt to seek professional or clerical help for that.

As far as what people put on social media, a huge percentage of it, often all of it, is fiction. Taking literally what people say on their tinder profiles will not yield a realistic assessment of their actual lives.

I dealt with many of these issues and might be able to help a bit. Feel free to call me at (425) 260-5292 (Seattle time) or email me at the address in my profile.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#94
Immediately start doing regular volunteer work, anything away from the screens and that'll get you interacting with plenty of people. There's no shortage of demand and the barrier to entry is nil.

Here's what will happen:

- You will meet many new interesting people.

- You will make new friends, raising your chances of meeting your romantic partner.

- You will feel very satisfied seeing your work directly benefit someone in a much more precarious situation than yours.

- You will get physically active and take more sun, improving your cerebral chemistry which in turn will make you feel happier and more fulfilled.

- You will get a new outlook on life, reframing your current problems and coming up with new ways to deal with issues.

Beats being dead, don't you think?

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#95

From Robert Anton Wilson: “ under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being” ...you get a little older, and you realize everyone’s struggling in their own unique way, and trying to hide it. Social med…

No point to make, just responding ...

I had to quit Facebook, it amplified my depression.

I met my first wife IRL, in high school.

I met my second wife IRL, in a language class. She was the teacher.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#96
post #95

From Robert Anton Wilson: “ under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being” ...you get a little older, and you realize everyone’s struggling in their own unique way, and trying to hide it. Social med…

No point to make, just responding ... I had to quit Facebook, it amplified my depression. I met my first wife IRL, in high school. I met my second wife IRL, in a language class. She was the teacher.

Second wife in school?

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#97
Tinder is not for most people. You're competing against the top 5% (in looks) who have photos of themselves shirtless on a yacht party or something. I lived in suburban NJ and got zero matches.

When I moved to a young friendly and population dense city in Europe, and upgraded my photos, I started getting more matches. So there's that. Also even if you do get matches, only like 20% even respond to messages and only half of those turn into a first date. Ask me how I know.

I pretty much had no close friends or self confidence up until age 25, when I started working. It was a pretty dead end job but I focused on being good at it and upped my social skills in the process. Before then, I spent most of my time alone and wishing people would notice my 'excellent qualities' (they didn't). I learned that people (including myself) really only care about how they themselves feel, so if you can make people laugh or feel good, they will want to be around you.

Oh as for the recommendation to lift weights - I second it. You don't have to join a gym though - a pull-up bar, kettlebell, jump rope, will go a long way, and don't take up much space.

I'm 35 now. After working for 9 years I am on a long sabbatical and feeling a bit lost again. The difference now is I now have a few close friends and therefore not lonely anymore. I still have social anxiety but it's much better now.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#98
Hey man,

I'm sorry to hear you're feeling that way. I agree with most of the advice in this thread, but I'll also say if you're feeling like you have the urge to take your life, please wait that feeling out. I'm writing this home alone on a Friday night, so trust me when I say I've been there and I feel a similar type of loneliness in my life.

One thing I've been focusing on is trying to adopt one healthy habit a month. Just one. Many of the replies are giving good suggestions as to which habits to form (going outside, volunteering, working out, etc) but if you are feeling overwhelmed by this response, just pick one and do that for a month. Then add another. Your first few months are just about not feeling like shit. Once that stops, you can direct your life better because you will be more in touch with yourself.

Re: suicide, the best thing you can do when you feel this way is wait it out. Almost everyone who waits out this urge (and even depression) feels it pass. If you have someone in your life like this, it helps to just be with someone. You don't have to talk or do anything with them. You can consciously sit and do nothing, but do it in the presence of someone who cares for you. That's helped me.

This is most just from my experiences with depression and listlessness, so if something doesn't work, just ignore it. Again, I'm sorry you feel this way, but wait it out and build good habits slowly and hopefully things will start feeling better for you.

Godspeed my friend

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#99

Immediately start doing regular volunteer work, anything away from the screens and that'll get you interacting with plenty of people. There's no shortage of demand and the barrier to entry is nil. Here's what will happen: - You will meet many new interesting people. - You will make new friends, raising your chances of meeting your romantic partner. - You will feel very satisfied seeing your work directly benefit some…

I disagree with the no shortage of demand part. The amount of volunteer positions I've been turned down from in my life is pretty mind blowing.

Still agree with the general concept.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#100
I’m sorry to hear that you’re feeling like an outcast.

First, I want you to know these feelings are reasonable and you’re not alone in feeling that way.

Second, while it may seem hopeless or insurmountable, you can make changes.

You have an opportunity now in front of you. You have identified an area in life where you feel inadequate. But you don’t have to feel that way permanently. You can make changes to build up your experience in that area. And I totally understand that it feels hard to know where to start, how to make progress, or whether it’s possible. It can feel demoralizing. But if you’re up for the challenge, you can grow.

I have often felt this way and I’ve slowly improved over time — now I’m 28 and have done a number of things I saw everyone else doing when I was 22 feeling like I had already thrown away my life.

If you’re open to chatting about it and think it would be helpful, shoot me an email: skylar.b.payne (at) gmail.com.

Wishing you peace

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