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Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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Calls. Everyone wants to talk or even video chat. It’s the most annoying thing, not only by recruiters; everything is a voice/video meeting nowadays instead of mail or text.

One 3rd party recruiter told me once that this is so they get paid in case the lead bypasses them and applies directly to company. Anyone aware if this is common?

I do it all the time, because 90% of the time the recruiter is lazily cut-and-pasting the job description directly from the company's own public listing, typos and all.

5 seconds with a search engine and I can usually find the exact job. Now I know the name of the company you're so carefully trying to avoid naming.

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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I'm holding a number of offers (as a candidate) at the moment, and here's my experience. - The good recruiters have a high hit rate and are quick. One of these guys called me about 4 weeks ago. We did a chat about my history, and what I wanted. The next day, he suggested 4 firms. The day after, I had 3 interviews booked. This bit is the real value: if they are good they will suggest people who have a chance of wantin…

> There's a group of firms that are very picky with their hires (FAANG, HFT) that every recruiter in London will mention to you if you are a dev. Knowing which ones actually know these hiring managers is hard. They all claim to have gone to school with them.

I have been a hiring manager at several FAANGs in London and these recruiters are all bullshitting you. We never used external recruiters, we had no need. Lead generation was entirely internal.

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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As a danish developer, recruiters are not that bad. They will usually start reaching out through LI, and will happily do the first part of the back and forth on text. I usually tell them I’m not interested in switching, but that I'd be happy to know what goes on in the industry. This usually leads to a phone call where I question them about the business, the job and what they have to offer. The one exception is, I usually don’t take the call if it’s a dedicated recruiting company, as they don’t know anything about the company they are trying to recruite me into.

I also lecture them at the end of a call sometimes. One of the more recent calls, they recruiter was looking for someone to fill “an architect position”. I asked him if he knew anything about software, and he conceded that he didn’t and that he was a psych major. I asked him if the people who told him to find an architect had told him what that entailed. They hadn’t. So I broke down three different types of architects there is in software development (code, systems and enterprise) told him he was most likely looking for a systems and what profile they could have and had a general good discussion with him. When I’m done at my current position, I have a good repor with this guys to have him find me an interesting position :)

So advice to recruiters:

1) Know what you have to offer

2) Know what you are actually looking for, even if it’s complicated. If you want to hire experienced people, seem like you know what you are talking about.

3) Proof read you written communication. You main job is to communicate and make a good first impression, but if your outreach mail/message is filled with spelling mistakes or contradictions, I’m not gonna respond.

4) Don’t try to sell me the cat in the hat. With experience come the ability to look right through your babble. If you want people like that, be open and honest. We might cut you some slack if the position is interesting enough to us ;)

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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I list my skill set in a prominent location on my resume and in the appropriate location on my linkedin page. Why do I keep getting contacted about jobs that require something that's not in my skill set? Linkedin should have the ability to filter on this information. I understand the recruiters are just spamming us, but couldn't they just add this filtering functionality to their spamming system?

I got on the phone with one of them and he started talking about devops - which is not on my resume. I guess he expected me to catch that, I missed it, and ended up wasting his time.

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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God it really pisses me off when they find great people for my team. Even worse is when a recruiter finds me a well paid job that I like. I hate those jerks. Wasting everyone's time with wanting to "talk on the phone", trying to clarify details about my "skills" and "experience" or "salary expectation", ugh such pointless questions - can't they just send emails, which I can slam the "delete" key on?

Your sarcasm gets your point across but what I think you're maybe not seeing is that for a lot of people, dealing with recruiters is a complete negative. There are a lot—a lot —of shitty, slimy, unprofessional and rude recruiters out there. The number of actually-good recruiters is dwarfed by the teeming masses of bad recruiters. The vast majority of recruiters reading this probably think they're in the good minority…

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Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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I am on the other side of this. As a hiring manager using recruiters, I am annoyed by: - lack of diversity in candidates. (not just virtue signaling. if all I see are nearly identical resumes, I assume the recruiter is just phoning it in.) - candidates “just a little out of your price range” who are 30% over the top end of my budget. - “confidentially” telling me what other offers a candidate has because then I know…

> if all I see are nearly identical resumes, I assume the recruiter is just phoning it in. Could you explain what you mean by this? I don't quite understand the language.

verb gerund or present participle: phoning

// ...

INFORMAL work or perform without much effort, interest, or enthusiasm. "I think of my playing as committed—I can't remember ever phoning it in at any performance"

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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Ex ecquo:

* spamming me with job offers that absolutely would never fit my profile (you haven't read my bio, you're lazy!)

* hiding the company name from me (you're being dishonest or wasting my time, trying to recruit me to a company that has a generally bad image).

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

#100
Calling me about positions I've explicitly said I'm not interested in on my LinkedIn profile(which is where they get my number)

Some of them even start with (I know you're not interested, but what would it take to tempt you into....)

I usually answer with a salary figure that would match what I earn as a freelancer, plus taxes, and then they leave it at that. (I live in Sweden, one of the most heavily taxed nations on earth, so that +taxes is quite significant)

I do however agree with another poster that recruiters are a luxury problem to have, and I'm grateful for their harassment, in the sense that it represents a job security. Still, I do hope they would read this thread and stop it with the worst practices

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