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It's very interesting that this is the 4th Anti-Whatsapp post on HN in the past 2 days. These posts seem to get a higher than normal amount of engagement also. weird.
There's nothing even unexpected going on with HN.
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Uprooting and going away with no warning, and then refusing to communicate unless it's not from an old platform sounds is a perfect recipe for being seen as awfully arrogant. The issue here is that it's a sudden approach. Humans are creatures of habit, and shifting interpersonal relationships slowly matters. This is not an API migration to a new provider where you push a commit or two and it's done. If you explain wh…
To me it seems to be being somewhat intolerant. Which is a powerful way for minorities to effect change. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
>Second, the cost structure matters quite a bit. It happens in our first example that making lemonade compliant with Kosher laws doesn’t change the price by much, not enough to justify inventories.
Might makes right. Being intolerant AND either needing little economic/physical power, or bringing with you significant economic/physical power is what effects change.
Which is the problem with convincing people to switch apps. Either you are important enough to the person that needs to switch apps, or switching the app is so low cost that the person that needs to switch doesn't care. Unfortunately, the switching costs is usually too high for most people's tastes.
I just did it with my family, who use FB and know at a high level why FB is bad. Here's what I said: "WhatsApp is now sucking all of your convos (including baby photos, etc.) into Facebook with their recent policy update. We're switching our family group chat to Signal". My mom, who's nearly 70 did it almost instantaneously. EDIT: My parents began to understand why FB is bad by reading books and watching documentarie…
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How is it arrogant to dictate personal boundaries? If your not comfortable using a messaging app, you don’t have to use it. Why are you suggesting that everyone needs to bow to peer pressure or they’re arrogant? If I suddenly decide one day I don’t want to drink alcohol but all my friends do, if they see me as arrogant because of that, that’s their problem, not mine. I’m under no obligation to slowly stop drinking be…
You are right. But this is how you get yourself isolated.
I have done that a few years ago though, and neither I'm isolated nor I feel like I've lost anything meaningful.
I'm still in touch with my dear friends and family, and that will continue without WhatsApp.
If whatapp provides api to track people in the group. I will think on staying. Ofcourse with user content. Last seen in this location every 15mins. Old dad problem blackmailing one day I might get lost...
I just did it with my family, who use FB and know at a high level why FB is bad. Here's what I said: "WhatsApp is now sucking all of your convos (including baby photos, etc.) into Facebook with their recent policy update. We're switching our family group chat to Signal". My mom, who's nearly 70 did it almost instantaneously. EDIT: My parents began to understand why FB is bad by reading books and watching documentarie…
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This is the pragmatic approach to the issue. Switching from a ubiquitous communications platform to something that practically nobody uses (relative to WhatsApp's active user numbers) carries a high cost in Weirdness Points[0], and those are only very slowly renewable unless you want to be seen as "the rebel of the family". [0] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wkuDgmpxwbu2M2k3w/you-have-a...
> This is the pragmatic approach to the issue There is nothing pragmatic in helping Facebook dominate our lives entirely.
Perhaps for that user, this is the pragmatic approach.
To me, it's the opposite.
I have stopped communicating with friends and family who try communicating via insecure apps. I send a response saying I will only read Signal or similar messages from them. Some think this is a hardline, but my security is important to me, and true friends and family need to respect that. It's kind of like how my sister is vegan, so when she comes over for dinner, I cook vegan dishes for her. I respect and accommoda…
I live abroad, in one of my trips back home, I installed Telegram in my parent's phones and showed them how they can call me (mom started spamming me with stickers immediately), asked each friend that I met in person to do the same. They all did except one friend. I posted on facebook that i'm quitting it and left my contact info. Some got in touch, many didn't. Life went on.
A single intolerant person can have a huge influence on a group of people that doesn't care to much. Of course, this will earn you a lot of eyerolls, and some friends may decide that not talking to you is easier.