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Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every position in the company, there needs to be someone who can fill in if the need arises. You already need that anyway in case someone has a serious accident or something, so you might as well make use of that when people go on vacation.

With 3 programmers, I seriously doubt there is a backup for every function.

Then they either need to tolerate less than 100% availability for those functions or hire more people.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

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This is somewhat cultural: it would not be considered unacceptable in many startups in the US, where I am right now. But your username and grammar make me wonder whether you're French and in France, are you? If you are, I think it may actually be an illegal request. European attitudes towards work are extremely different to US ones, which are themselves more relaxed than e.g. East Asian. From https://newatlas.com/rig…

I’m in France and I’ve lived here for 30 years. What you’ve written is correct.

However here’s the reality: If your employer dislikes you, they can fire you for some false reason. You then take it to court and you win. You will be awarded some amount, and there’s now a legally defined cap on that amount, which the employer knows before they fire you. The amount is roughly one month’s salary for each year worked at the company. And you don’t get your job back.

Of course not all employers use this strategy for various reasons, but it exists as a possibility, so it has to be taken into account when planning what response is in your best interest.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

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Didn't you tell me recently that you started to get really into backwoods camping? It's unfortunate that signal is so bad in the woods, eh?

Backwoods camping in Canada? Good luck getting any sort of signal out through all of those mosquitoes (and ticks, if you're in Eastern Canada).

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

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Just be clear between you and your boss what the expectation is. If the expectation is that you'll check your email at least once a day at a set time and do maybe 15 minutes of work tops, then yeah, that absolutely goes with the territory of small company management. Pick a time and put it on your calendar for each day you're away, "Respond to emails", 15 minutes long. If it's more than that, and the expectation is t…

I would frame it that way as well.

Be clear on what "respond to emails" means -- no more an 30 minutes of typing out answers to emails, or does that mean following up on their requested tasks, tweaks, code fixes, etc?

If you're not doing work but are responding to emails I'd keep a To-Do list so stuff that doesn't fall through the cracks, post vacay.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

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That's normal, sort of. For context: I've worked in a 6 person startup as a founder, a 60 person startup as management, and right now a tech giant as a peon. My policy for myself and anyone under me has been the same in all three cases, and it's been consistent with my colleagues in all three cases. (Exception: there are 100%, definitely, guaranteed, examples of unreasonable managers at the tech giant I work for, I'm…

This is all great advice. My company uses slack instead of email, what’s helped me is silencing slack but telling people they can call me if there’s a fire. Before then I set up all the systems I can to prevent anything from slipping through, so I haven’t been called on vacation yet. It’s all about setting expectations and delegating responsibility in advance.

Having a backup plan helps.

Also making full use of the available tools:

- calendar OOO messages

- automated email replies

- slack status messages showing OOO dates

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

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One way to think about this is traveling to places where connectivity is literally unavailable -- national parks, mountains, etc. Your boss cannot prevent you from traveling to those locations, so even if you aren't somewhere where you are unreachable, why should you be expected to be available?

Most of my bosses have left their contact information for when they are away from the office, but I've never had reason to use it. I would feel bad interrupting someone's time off except in cases of true emergencies, which might happen more often in other company cultures or industries.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With 3 programmers, I seriously doubt there is a backup for every function.

Then they either need to tolerate less than 100% availability for those functions or hire more people.

For a company of the size we are talking about, it would definitely by the former. Even at 20 people, it's not possible (financially) to have backups for every function and we have to tolerate downtime for people.
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