True spherical hackers in the vacuum want to be undisputable experts in complex topics and as this often mixes with sheer egoism, they like to flex with this knowledge and remind others how unsophisticated others are. But ideal spherical hackers are rare. Moreover, smart people like to learn new stuff not only about the tech side of things, so if they sniff you're trying to manipulate them, they'll pay you back with…
The turn of phrase "true spherical hackers in the vacuum" is quite clever and entertaining, but I submit that it is unlikely to be grokked by someone who does not already have familiarity with hacker-isms/culture. :) (And of course they likely wouldn't understand "grok" either").
Ask HN: Best resources for non-technical founders to understand hacker mindset?
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#93The thing about it though, is that mindsets are not readily transferable. They are basically worldviews which are formed slowly and because of their foundational place in cognition are remarkably resistant to change.
One challenge is technical debt. To start to understand it, find a tool that he uses regularly (assuming such a thing exists). Maybe it is Excel. Now have him solve some kind of problem with it. And then schedule a meeting with his friend the following week to review his spreadsheet. Then add requirements that his spreadsheet must handle. Tell him he must hurry so that those requirements are complete before his meeting. Ensure that there are too many requirements for the spreadsheet or that there isn't time to properly reorganize it.
In the meeting, explain to his friend that he has been the mastermind of this spreadsheet design. Have him first demo the calculation features of the spreadsheet. The have him walk through the design, show the formulas in the cells, explain his naming scheme.
The goal of this exercise is to demonstrate why engineers seem to be so concerned about their code organization and technical debt. Which is that they have their name on any mess they make in the code, and they have to maintain it as it changes. Without ever having done that part of it, it is difficult for a business person to really understand the developer's point of view.
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#94Business people tend to be more social-oriented, people-oriented. And one of the pitfalls of that is that most such people think if you just make the right friends, find the right words, push the right emotional buttons, you can make magic.
And sometimes that's true. But sometimes what they want is a case of "Something cannot be both heavy and light at the same time. I can be light and large -- like a cloud -- but it can't be both heavy and light. Pick one."
I do a lot of studying of social things and I hate people who are manipulative. A lot of people with serious social skills are manipulative.
In short, many of them lie when it's convenient because they don't want to deal with negative emotions or whatever.
So I would have them watch the Jim Carrey movie "Liar, Liar." and challenge them to use their social skills to tell the actual truth in a more acceptable manner instead of fudging.
I would also recommend negotiating books. Hard skills when it comes to dealing with people helps make it possible to be both honest and diplomatic.
The Mind and Heart of the Negotiator is research based and very meaty.
Getting to Yes is also research based, but a quick, easy read.
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#95I have to admit, even I'm not sure what a "hacker mindset" is. As one technical cofounder to another, I think the most important thing is for you to understand the business side. Most importantly, how interpersonal skills matter and how emotions play out in a business setting. Beyond that, a solid understanding of scientific approaches to understanding is the second most important. Being able to tease apart correlati…
> As one technical cofounder to another, I think the most important thing is for you to understand the business side. But the OP isn't asking for help themselves, and has said nothing about needing help themselves. Maybe they already understand the business side?
I am not saying that it is but I do think that Stephen Coveys famous "seek first to understand, then to be understood" quote holds a lot of truth. In order to communicate your own perspective on something to someone, you need to have a sense of how theirs differs to yours.
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#97ER is blacklisted in tech community. Finishing GEB is no easy task. I recommend hackers and painters by pg.
Skims on the painting part, I thought, but it makes for an interesting insight into the personal philosophy of someone who values both creativity and logic.
Many of his ideas are universal (probably why I'm here!). Others don't port so well (or are specific to his experience).
Well worth the OPs time, given the question.
Joel on Software is also a fantastic read. More concrete in talking about specific aspects of a software developers' working experience, and ideas towards technology in general.
A mentor of mine suggested I should read it alongside Hackers and Painters.
I can't thank him and his friends enough, frankly...
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#98I have to admit, even I'm not sure what a "hacker mindset" is. As one technical cofounder to another, I think the most important thing is for you to understand the business side. Most importantly, how interpersonal skills matter and how emotions play out in a business setting. Beyond that, a solid understanding of scientific approaches to understanding is the second most important. Being able to tease apart correlati…
Do you know of any resources (books preferably) on learning to understand the business and emotional side that you are referring to?
“Creativity Inc.” (Ed Catmull) explains how Pixar manages people & throws in a few insights from mature (post Apple firing) Steve Jobs.
“Managing the Design Factory” (Don Reinertsen) explains how to prioritize projects and analyze a business for bottlenecks in order to minimize cost of delay.
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#99Maciej Ceglowski has a good bit in one of his idlewords posts about how the "what makes hackers tick" genre is full of pieces that are really "how to be someone just like the author". There's probably nobody that remark applies to more than ESR, and ESR is probably not someone you'd want to work to resemble more closely. So, in reality, if you want to understand your technical cofounders, it is probably not a good id…
And, tptacek, guess whose name I stumbled upon while I was reading his wiki page? Incidentally, I think that section of the wiki is poorly written. I'm left even more confused due to lack of context.
Re: Ask HN: Best resources for non-technical founders to understand hacker mindset?
#100I have to admit, even I'm not sure what a "hacker mindset" is. As one technical cofounder to another, I think the most important thing is for you to understand the business side. Most importantly, how interpersonal skills matter and how emotions play out in a business setting. Beyond that, a solid understanding of scientific approaches to understanding is the second most important. Being able to tease apart correlati…
Are there any good resources for learning more about this?