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Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#91

So 4 years ago, me and a couple of partners decided to start an online website selling vaporizers. Our supplier told us he was using Stripe and so we applied for a seller account. I stupidly put my personal information to get up and running quickly. In the next few days, I get an email from Stripe that vaporizers are prohibited and they can't accept the payments. We were surprised but moved on since we couldn't do an…

Since you used your personal information previously, can’t you use the business information this time?

From Stripe’s perspective (as well as your business’s), wouldn’t this application be from a different business though the owner/proprietor is the same?

EDIT: spelling

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#92
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This statement is obviously incorrect. It’s literally the name of the thing, the two L’s stand for “limited liability”

its limited, NOT absolute. If you are a single person LLC the claim can be made that the business is an alter-ego of the owner, and can then the corporate veil can be pierced.

This is exactly what I was advised about single-person LLCs by the SBA.

And my lawyer.

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a single-person LLC usually doesn't give you any of the legal advantages of having an LLC in case you get sued.

I talked to a lawyer about this and the feedback I received was while technically they might be able to sue to try and receive compensation even from your personal assets if you are a single-member LLC as long as you can show you were acting in good faith and as an agent of the company (i.e. you didn't personally guarantee the work and sign your name instead of the company's and you maintain distinct records and fina…

I also discussed this with the SBA and multiple attorneys (attorneys make up most of my clients, btw).

Here in NY, piercing the corporate veil is a bit easier than in other states. More importantly, if someone attempts to go down that road, you have to spend the time and resources ($$$) to defend your position. In general you're best off just starting in the strongest possible position to start with, and usually that means splitting the decision making responsibility. If you want to avoid all that hassle, just go the SP route.

In my original comment I made the mistake of saying "any" instead of "all"

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#94
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a single-person LLC usually doesn't give you any of the legal advantages of having an LLC in case you get sued.

Being a single person LLC absolutely does gives you the legal advantages of an LLC, provided you maintain separation of personal and business, eg keeping business bank accounts and routing all income and expenses through them, keeping proper accounting books, signing contracts as the LLC and not as yourself, holding company meetings w/ minutes, etc. In practice this protection isn’t worth as much as it is for larger…

How do you sign something as an LLC? Do you just write the LLC name?

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#95

So 4 years ago, me and a couple of partners decided to start an online website selling vaporizers. Our supplier told us he was using Stripe and so we applied for a seller account. I stupidly put my personal information to get up and running quickly. In the next few days, I get an email from Stripe that vaporizers are prohibited and they can't accept the payments. We were surprised but moved on since we couldn't do an…

Since you used your personal information previously, can’t you use the business information this time? From Stripe’s perspective (as well as your business’s), wouldn’t this application be from a different business though the owner/proprietor is the same? EDIT: spelling

Even if you put in your company’s info, they need a real person connected to the account.

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#96
post #94
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a single person LLC absolutely does gives you the legal advantages of an LLC, provided you maintain separation of personal and business, eg keeping business bank accounts and routing all income and expenses through them, keeping proper accounting books, signing contracts as the LLC and not as yourself, holding company meetings w/ minutes, etc. In practice this protection isn’t worth as much as it is for larger…

How do you sign something as an LLC? Do you just write the LLC name?

Generally, anyone that a company has duly authorized to sign will be able to sign on behalf of the company. I'm just guessing at what the GP meant, but I think the most important thing is to just negotiate the contract as the LLC. I suppose it makes sense to be particularly clear on the signature page that you're signing as manager/agent of the LLC.

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

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post #41

I wrote answers for a number of these questions for Stripe Atlas; c.f. https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/incorporation , https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/business-taxes , and the https://stripe.com/atlas/guides more generally. If there are holes after reading them, we'd love to hear about them.

patio11, I have a bunch of questions about Stripe Atlas (sorry that this is long):

- Should a subsidiary of a foreign company be an LLC or C Corp? I've read https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/llc-vs-c-corp and if I were to own the company directly, I certainly would go for a C Corp to avoid having to report the company's taxes on my personal U.S. tax returns. But it's not clear to me whether it's better for a subsidiary to be an LLC or C Corp. (I'm leaning towards C Corp, but don't want to miss out on any benefits of having the subsidiary be an LLC.)

- Can I transfer 100% of my U.S. subsidiary's revenue to the foreign parent company, and write off the entirety of that amount as a business expense? So, my U.S. subsidiary's income would be zero, with everything that was repatriated to the parent company subtracted as a fully deductible business expense. Is this okay under U.S. tax law? Or would this be considered tax evasion? (Would the U.S. company even have to file a state or federal income tax return, since its income after business expense deductions is zero?)

(Note: The sole reason I want a U.S. company via Stripe Atlas is because Stripe is the best payment gateway out there. It makes receiving money from customers a lot easier, which is to put lightly, quite important.)

- If I directly own a C Corp, will I ever have to report anything connected to it on my personal U.S. tax returns? (I assume with a subsidiary I never would have to.) Also, will Stripe ask me to disclose my U.S. Social Security number, or would a foreign passport be sufficient? And, does Stripe Atlas transmit any data on company ownership to the federal government? Since temporary work/other visa holders are prohibited from running a startup on the side, there can't be anything (that's discoverable by the Dept of Homeland Security) tying me to the U.S. company. (It's just that people have been deported for selling apps, receiving ad revenue, among other things: https://www.murthy.com/2014/01/28/home-based-businesses-inad...)

- How does succession for intellectual property work for companies? If the company is shut down, can I designate myself as the "inheritor"/beneficiary of all the property that the company held prior to its dissolution?

- Can I convert a subsidiary into a normal company that is directly owned by me? There is a high probability that I will dissolve the foreign parent company once I get U.S. permanent residency (but that could take a few years).

- Do I need to use the Delaware registered agent that Stripe Atlas offers its customers for $100/year? (I want to use the one offered by VirtualPostMail instead: https://www.virtualpostmail.com/services/registered-agent)

Finally, patio11, is the email address info at stripe dot com the best email to reach out for further questions such as these?

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#98
post #45

I don’t see the point of an LLC if you plan to have an outside investor. The LLC will have to be converted to regular corporation (typically. C Corp) anyway. The LLC makes it easy to pass profits through but if you don’t have any yet...what’s the point?

A Delaware LLC can be easily converted to a Delaware C. During early stages, an LLC is easier to manage with less reporting and paperwork. An LLC gives limited liability and a receptacle for IP rights. While taxes at this point won't be an issue, they're simpler.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/converting-llc-corpo...

https://www.delawareinc.com/blog/how-to-convert-your-llc-to-...

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#99
post #41

I wrote answers for a number of these questions for Stripe Atlas; c.f. https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/incorporation , https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/business-taxes , and the https://stripe.com/atlas/guides more generally. If there are holes after reading them, we'd love to hear about them.

patio11, I have a bunch of questions about Stripe Atlas (sorry that this is long): - Should a subsidiary of a foreign company be an LLC or C Corp? I've read https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/llc-vs-c-corp and if I were to own the company directly, I certainly would go for a C Corp to avoid having to report the company's taxes on my personal U.S. tax returns. But it's not clear to me whether it's better for a subsidiary…

At the risk of seeming unduly negative, I'd like to take a swing at this last question of yours:

> is the email address info at stripe dot com the best email to reach out for further questions such as these?

I do not work for Stripe, never have, but I can state with near-certainty that the answer to this question is "absolutely not."

Stripe are not going to give you advice on how to violate U.S. immigration law and not get caught. If you are living in the U.S. on a visa that does not allow employment beyond the terms of your visa, you are asking Stripe to give you advice on how to break the law and there's zero chance that any business--especially one so deep into financial services like Stripe are--will be OK with doing that.

If you have to ask questions with a caveat like this:

> there can't be anything (that's discoverable by the Dept of Homeland Security) tying me to the U.S. company.

then you are playing with fire, particularly under this administration, running the risk of being deported and receiving a 10-year ban on reentry at all (to say nothing of destroying your chances at ever getting a work permit again) and I strongly suggest you reconsider what it is you are considering doing.

Re: Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#100
post #41

I wrote answers for a number of these questions for Stripe Atlas; c.f. https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/incorporation , https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/business-taxes , and the https://stripe.com/atlas/guides more generally. If there are holes after reading them, we'd love to hear about them.

patio11, I have a bunch of questions about Stripe Atlas (sorry that this is long): - Should a subsidiary of a foreign company be an LLC or C Corp? I've read https://stripe.com/atlas/guides/llc-vs-c-corp and if I were to own the company directly, I certainly would go for a C Corp to avoid having to report the company's taxes on my personal U.S. tax returns. But it's not clear to me whether it's better for a subsidiary…

I hope you realize that your post looks super sketchy. It seems like you are walking the fine line of potential tax evasion as well as potential immigration violation(s).

I strongly encourage you to see an accountant and/or lawyer -- it would strike me as cavalier if anyone answered your questions completely in a public forum such as this.

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