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Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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Yes, there is a huge gap. Windows has way better development tools and the OS is leaps ahead of the Mac OS.

The Surface line is what Macs would be if SJ was still alive

Nope. Jobs was adamant that laptops shouldn't have touch screens.

I tend to agree with him.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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I think a certain, very vocal group of people violently reacted to the 2016 re-design's keyboard and switch to USB-C. But I also think that most users are still pretty happy with their Macs most of the time - they just don't post blog posts about that. I understand the complaints about keyboard failures due to dust getting under keys, but my personal experience with a 2016 model has been fine. I had to blow it out on…

I have the same experience as you regarding the keyboard. Lots of people on here wrote about failing keyboards, but I never had a problem with mine after 3 years (Macbook Retina 2015, Macbook Pro 2017, still use both mostly daily, with the Pro daily).

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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The plural of an anecdote is not data. People who don't have any problem with the MBP don't complainte about it.

> The plural of an anecdote is not data

Well of course it is. Data isn't some magically objective set of golden truth, it's just a collection of recorded observations.

If the only observations are negative, it's still data. Data doesn't self-testify as to its holisticity or accuracy.

I could compile daily records of my personal experiences commuting on the bus. That's still data even without the driver's perspective.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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I'll never understand the "stability" argument for macs. I have a gaming desktop at home that I also use for personal projects. In a decade, I have had zero bluescreens, despite AMD drivers not being the happiest all the time, and doing sketchy things with homemade code that I possibly shouldn't. Meanwhile, my OSX work laptop needs to be restarted multiple times a week, or the wifi gets temperamental and programs som…

> despite AMD drivers not being the happiest all the time This is something you will not have to even think about on a healthy mac, as long as the hardware is not damaged in some way. > Meanwhile, my OSX work laptop needs to be restarted multiple times a week, or the wifi gets temperamental and programs somehow start to accumulate and eat all the available CPU and RAM, it restarts itself periodically with zero warnin…

Really? OpenGL drivers on macOS are absolutely shitty and I've seen plenty of strange behavior from them that definitely wasn't a hardware issue. It's also not hard to get suspend-resume issues on macOS with perfectly healthy hardware, especially if you keep upgrading instead of installing the new OS fresh. Plus there are plenty of small issues across various utilities here and there. It really isn't the most stable piece of software out there.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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The downvotes for you are puzzling. At work I compile a large project in VS2017 multiple times per day, and my machine will intermittently bluescreen during the compile. Happens to a number of my coworkers as well. W10 has come a long, long way since the unstable foundations of its forebears, but my personal experience with it still includes more crashes than I can write off as flaky hardware/drivers or mere chance.

Agreed, Windows 10 is still a mess. I have constant issues with stability. My latest fun issue is that my gaming desktop won't install OS updates. It knows there are updates available, but when I tell it to install, the progress bar never progresses. I've tried restarting multiple times, but it makes no difference. I thought maybe I just needed to let it run for a while. It's been running for 3 days now, and the prog…

Yep. I ranted about this in another thread recently so I won't rehash (much), but part of what I dislike about Windows is that its excessive complexity creates a gulf between the quick fix and "welp, time to reformat." And thanks to the need for backward compatibility, I doubt it will ever get better.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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With OSX, I get to be lazy when it comes to the OS. No wrangling, configuring like I see friends having to do. The environment is mindless and works. And they're pretty. Great screens and resolution. And everyone else had one when I started developing. And I was kind of excited to put a sticker on top of the apple. Switching to linux is in the same category as Vim for me. Something I should do someday.

YMMV, but I configured i3, vim and some other stuff years ago and just copy configs from previous laptop to the next one. New laptop usually works just of the box and it is already configured the way I'm used to.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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when the touchbar macs with only usb c ports came out I went to the used market and bought the best used macbook pro I could find that still had hdmi, thunderbolt and USB. I love my macbook, but mainly I love having a *nix based operating system. Windows is starting to get it and so in the next iteration of hardware I might switch over.

Apple still sells the 2015 MacBook Pro new.
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