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You're describing a poor work environment which can occur in tech, especially in startup. There's also thousands upon thousands of blue collar work that don't have a poor work environment. I felt much better after a day of unloading trucks in a wearhouse than I do now coming home from a day of sitting in an office chair programming. Sitting all day is terrible for your body and it's exausting to boot. One of the bigg…
And yet you still choose to be a programmer rather than a cargo handler? It's not just the physical toll as to why unskilled labour jobs suck.
Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore
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#92Re: Ask HN: I don't want to be a founder anymore
#93Take a vacation, preferably to a beach. Use it to learn what processes at your company are dependent on you. Then when you get back, start documenting and delegating every process until you are no longer a critical dependency. Then take another, longer vacation. Sounds like you need one.
Beaches aren't for everyone. In burnout situations, I find going backpacking (mountains/hiking, canoeing in the Canadian wilderness) to be even more relaxing than a beach. None of these annoying humans that seem to be always present on beaches and at workplaces. And also none of the attention-sucking internet access.
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#94I've been in a very similar situation as a first time founder for over half a decade, and getting professional help to deal with anxiety, burnout and depression was super helpful. I was spending days staring at the screen phasing out, couldn't get out of bed, crying, deriving no pleasure from anything, and all that jazz. This lasted over a year before it got bad enough I had to reach out for help. I was going to either quit and/or accidentally take the company down with me.
No pills involved to fix it in my case, just a lot of techniques and practices prescribed by the therapist that help you keep your sanity over the long term. You can get over it within a couple of months if you are diligent about staying on top of the process.
I suspect that almost every high performer who pushes hard in their career will eventually get to this point, it's normal, you need to learn how to deal with the level of anxiety that these positions can induce. Just like most super successful people have coaches, I think most super successful people have therapists keeping them afloat.
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#951) Seek out a mentor, either someone you know well, or someone who can be introduced by a good friend of yours. The mentor should be someone with experience with founders, and hard situations like these. Another person, with a fresh, different perspective, can help you look at the situation and really see what's wrong, what can be fixed, etc. As good as Hacker News can be, you can't share too many details which prevents most of us from being effective at helping you out.
2) I don't think a vacation is going to change anything. I've been in a situation like yours before, and a vacation would simply be pure suffering - you would be thinking about your issue all the time, and wouldn't enjoy the vacation.
3) You are a founder, which means you convinced other people to invest in you (with money, or with their career), so you somehow OWE them something. If you are very close to an acquisition, you should consider staying until the acquisition goes through. You can leave afterwards (and lose most of the economic benefits), but at least you wouldn't be damaging these other people. This is the behavior I would expect from you if I were one of your investors, or one of your early employees.
4) You never know what's going to happen after an acquisition. Perhaps you'll be able to spend more time with your friends, or on hobbies, and less on the job - which might bring some happiness to your life.
5) You might be depressed, or in a weird mental state, which might or might not depend on your job situation. Sometimes it could be wise to see some medical advice, although I am NOT a big fan of drugs/medication/etc, as most of the time they fail to fix the problem at the source.
6) Usually, sharing an issue makes it easier to face it. Besides the mentor (see #1), you might want to share your state with 1-2 very close friends, assuming you have any. That might help too.
7) Sometimes I use this "mental trick", which helps a lot in tough situations: I try ti imagine myself 10 years from now. I spend several minutes trying to get the details right. And then, usually I realize that I am giving too much importance to the imminent problem I'm facing, and that "everything is going to be all right" at the end. I don't know if it can work for you, but it does for me. And it worked, wonderfully, at least three times, in situations that - I think - were a bit worse than yours. Well, you never know, suffering is subjective, and relative to circumstances.
I hope this helps.
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#96On the good news: there are some short-term fixes you can pursue that will probably help a lot.
* Antidepressants, while I don't think they're a long-term solution for anybody with exogenous depression (i.e. you're not someone with a chemical imbalance in your personal biology) can be really, really useful for helping you climb out of a rut. I was dealing with a really bad streak of depression awhile back and didn't even realize it because the character of it was so different from what I was used to in my 20s. After a few months and some targeted counseling, I found I was operating with much more clarity.
* Better sleep—you didn't mention it, but I can guess that you're burning the candle at both ends and have been for some time. My particular antidepressant helped immensely with that as well.
* Counseling. This is one a lot of us have trouble with when it comes to taking that step. But do it, seriously. And you might be surprised to find out your wife probably already has a good idea about it—mine saw it way before I did. She didn't know exactly what the problem was, but she knew we weren't just fighting about whose turn it was to do the dishes.
* Perspective. This is really hard to get when you're in the midst of a depressive cycle or dealing with burnout. You are highly unlikely to be the only one who can do your job. It may take some training to get someone else to learn this stuff, and there may be some hiccups along the way, but unless your business is incredibly brittle you'll be ok. Look around at your industry and try to identify people who could do slices of your job, and then maybe have some conversations and see what it would take to get them to join you. If the programming is really just dead-simple CRUD for the most part, consider outsourcing it to someone or a team who will work on it hourly or weekly.
The bad news:
* Yes, as a founder you're likely part of the acquisition. This doesn't mean you don't have some room to negotiate with the acquiring company for a month or two of vacation after it closes. Take some time and go to the beach and recharge. You may not want to come back at the end but you'll at least feel rested enough to do the job.
* If you're really burnt out, this can take some time to climb out of. Be patient with yourself and put structures in your life to help you get out of it. I started taking a karate class in a style I spent almost a decade in 20 years ago—its really helped a lot to be physical, and since I'm not the kind of person who is terribly motivated to go to a gym, its probably my only real option realistically to get myself to work out. Whatever your thing is, you gotta build in breaks somewhere.
When you get through this, put a reminder on your calendar far in the future, far enough you'll forget you did it, and if you can predict stressful periods, during or just before one of those. Give your future self some words of encouragement. Mine popped up on May 1 and was a much-needed reminder of a few things going into my busy season.
You'll be ok man, just try not to do anything drastic when you're feeling this way. When "here" looks bad, sometimes "anywhere but here" seems like it'd be better, but all that baggage you just bring with you.
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#97There are professionals out there whose job it is to help out people in situations like yours. Before you make any life changing decisions I would talk to one. CEO's, Hedgefund Managers, Sport Stars, they all talk to psychologists. Give it a try.
I strongly second this suggestion. Unfortunately there is a stigma to speaking with mental health professionals, but I'm a strong proponent of doing so even when there is nothing necessarily "wrong" in your life. Speaking as someone who just recently experienced burnout for the first time in his career (along with losing several friends in the past year), and is now taking it easy for a while, you owe it to yourself…
In my experience, a friend and a spouse or a parent cannot replace a psychologist. I think the reason for that is because psychologists listen differently. In whatever you are telling them, you are hiding a call for help in a sense. A friend or a wife might not spot that call for help. Additionally, a psychologist can answer better than a spouse or a friend does, I think.
Maybe that was just my experience, but I felt I had a much better talk with a psychologist than with a friend. Probably, because the barrier is much lower. Like you don't have to worry about them judging you or whatever.
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#98The aqcuirint company probably don't expect you to be super passionate after their takeover, so they shouldn't object. Even if they do, the worst that could happen is probably that they knock off a chunk of your earnout package, you'll probably make much more than if you simply leave now.
If money is not the issue at all then you should definitely leave as soon as you can. There is absolutely no point in being miserable if it doesn't pay off big time. You already did something awesome, be proud of that and move on with good conscience!
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#99Take like 6 weeks, hard travel and exercise, eat well, relax. Don't use email.