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Re: Ask HN: Why do companies buy ads when they are the top result in search?

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> included as well not so closely related variants like synonyms and related searches, given that you said it meant "plural to singular." That is not true except with broad match. you are confusing broad match with close variant matching. close Variant matching on phrase and exact match only triggers really close variants, like I indicated. There are also adwords scripts that give you even more control http://www.bra…

I don't think it's me who was confused here. Or let's say my confusion arose from trying to reconcile what you said ("There is no default other than showing you very closely related variant matching") with the actual default. Probably it's good advice to never used the default settings. And maybe it's ok to ignore what is the default. But I find really amusing that you, an expert with over a decade of experience, is…

Honestly, I stand by my position and advice.

Broad match is really not a default in the traditional sense...it is a default if you are too lazy/arrogant/dumb to understand how Google serves ads in the most basic way before flipping the switch on.

If you are too lazy to google Adwords Beginner or read Googles getting started documentation, you only have yourself to blame. Understanding match types is absolute fundamentals day one stuff.

Yes, if you want to be completely blind, you get backed into a default, but you only have yourself to blame if that happens...it is so fundamental and easy to discover that I just cant reconcile a rational scenario with not knowing enough to not end up defaulting to broad match with no idea that there is even a thing called match types.

Edit: just to add to this, I was being literal when I mentioned 2 minutes...it literally does not take more than 2 minutes to learn how Google matches ads to queries...

Edit2: I realize I am being a little defensive and unforgiving. The truth is, I can see plenty of people making this mistake...just assuming that its super easy to advertise...I guess I get a little emotional because its such a easy thing to learn. Its like my mom asking me a technical question that I simply Google and tell her the answer...she could have easily googled it herself :) understandable but frustrating!

Re: Ask HN: Why do companies buy ads when they are the top result in search?

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I wish you could try to frame your criticism in a more engaging and friendly way. In my opinion, it's exactly this kind of absolutist reasoning that seems to be killing community and conversation. Of course he and many others can advertise on Google without understanding match types. The point of the service provided by Google is that it's on the whole, significantly easier than "traditional" ad buying. Regardless of…

I somewhat agree with your point about the tone. I will apologize after writing this. (Edit: Your post has me confused because you start off talking about tone and than you fail to take your own advice about reasonable discourse.) Your assumptions however are way off...I would never criticize someone for something remotely excusable, but advertising on Google without taking 2 minutes or less to learn something as fun…

> "I cant think of any excuse that justifies it short of arrogance and/or laziness."

You're not very nice, calling me arrogant and/or lazy.

It was simply a false assumption that the matching would be strict by default. And possibly a mistake that a lot of people are making, considering all the companies that are advertising for themselves.

Re: Ask HN: Why do companies buy ads when they are the top result in search?

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I somewhat agree with your point about the tone. I will apologize after writing this. (Edit: Your post has me confused because you start off talking about tone and than you fail to take your own advice about reasonable discourse.) Your assumptions however are way off...I would never criticize someone for something remotely excusable, but advertising on Google without taking 2 minutes or less to learn something as fun…

> "I cant think of any excuse that justifies it short of arrogance and/or laziness." You're not very nice, calling me arrogant and/or lazy. It was simply a false assumption that the matching would be strict by default. And possibly a mistake that a lot of people are making, considering all the companies that are advertising for themselves.

I'm sorry. It was wrong to call you arrogant or lazy and I apologize.

You might be right about other companies making those same assumptions...I would love to understand more about their thought process. When you started with adwords, did you consider hiring a pro or run a few searches for beginner tips or did you just follow the onboarding to get started? I am not asking to prove a point, I am asking to get an idea about what a newbie might assume when getting started with Adwords.

I would never try to fix my cars engine on my own, nor would I fix my sewer line. I would probably atleast watch a youtube video before changing my oil...I genuinely want to understand what people think when they assume they can run adwords on their own without researching how to do it effectively?

Re: Ask HN: Why do companies buy ads when they are the top result in search?

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... We're talking about ads in Google search results, right? Not banner ads? Am I missing something??

Yes we're talking about ads in Google search results. They are blocked by adblockers. (Well, except the official flavour of AdBlock Plus, which was paid a shitton of money by Google to stop blacklisting them :D)

I use ghostery...not exactly an ad blocker but it blocks most ads. I guess it spares the Google search text ads.
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