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Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

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> walking just ~8k steps per day You kind of gloss over this, but 8k steps is around 3 miles of walking for the average person. You might be able to get that "naturally" if you live in an urban area and go out on foot every day to get coffee, groceries, etc., but if you're a typical WFH software engineer living in the suburbs, you're probably going to have to spend 45 min to an hour every day walking for exercise to…

It’s 6pm. I’m WFH. I’m seeing 7451 steps on my iPhone. I wouldn’t say I’ve walked anywhere today, but I water my horses a few times a day (at bottom of garden).

Counter point, I’m work from home and actually spend up to an hour a day doing HIIT and am lucky to break 4k steps. If you’re fidgety or pace you may get there but even with being intentionally active and burning around 850 calories in exercise a day, I’m about half the 8k steps.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#822

Become snobbish and arrogant asshole. Look down on those who consume junk food. Consider yourself to be above such lowly habits. This way you can social pressure yourself for your own betterment. You might make a few enemies along the way but if you're successful enough you might make new friends who are all equally obnoxious as you have become with your new attitudes. Surround yourself with those you aspire to be. E…

I know you are joking but it works. We have become a society where unhealthy lifestyle is encouraged because we are too afraid to hurt feelings.

My health journey basically started with wanting to marry someone out of my league. I saw my friends with unhealthy lifestyles, marrying and having kids with other unhealthy people. And then their kids developing unhealthy habits. Food worship is big in my culture, and so is diabetes and heart diseases.

I was unhealthy skinny-fat loser. It is probably the worst body type. This is when I first slowly, then suddenly removed all unhealthy people from my life. I even avoided shopping at places where there were too many obese people like Walmart. I stopped eating at restaurants where there were too many overweight people. No buffets for me.

While I lost unhealthy friends, I also developed better friendships with healthier friends. I also adopted new habits and hobbies that brought me in contact with attractive people. Gym, coffeeshops, Whole Foods, yoga.

Initially, I felt outsider. But eventually I started to feel like one of them. Also I lost my gut, developed decent back and legs muscles. And it didn't felt like work. I didn't even try any diet or workout program. Just ate where attractive people ate and just used random machines in the gym.

Since having kids, I have stopped avoiding unhealthy people and have become more accepting of unhealthy lifestyles. And also gained a lot of weight and struggle to lose it now.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#823
post #514

This is a weird tip I think I could only share with the hacker news crowd. Once I learned about gut bacteria I started thinking of my cravings as something external to me. Like instead of saying "I'm hungry and I'm in the mood for something sweet" I would realize "the hormone ghrelin is sending hunger signals to my brain and the gut bacteria in my body is asking for something that's not actually in my best interest."…

Yes absolutely. I've found it's vital and helpful in many areas to understand that perception is not reality, and that it can be changed. This is a fact of human psychology: your brain creates sensations, and your "reptile brain" controls all the important decisions -- e.g. what you want to eat, what kind of information you seek out on the Internet, how you feel towards others, etc.

To be concrete ... in my early 20's, I drink multiple cokes every day. I was addicted to it. Now if I start drinking a can, I can't even finish it. It tastes too sweet.

So what changed? The only thing is perception; the coke is exactly the same. So I've kept 15 pounds off for 5+ years by "retraining" my taste buds. I think that this is the only sustainable way to lose weight. I don't feel hungry or deprived at all. So basically you can train bad food to taste bad, which it should.

I did that mainly by filling the gap with naturally cooked foods that I liked even more than a coke, and then expanding from there into a big world of pleasure. Michael Pollan's advice is good: you can eat whatever you want, as long as you cook it yourself. There are a lot of veggies I liked but didn't eat because they weren't ready available and it was "too much work". (I'd reframe that as undervaluing your health)

It could be partly the gut bacteria thing, but I think of it as just a decoupling of perception and reality. You shouldn't think of your perceptions as fixed. And yes it is an interesting philosophical angle to think of them as NOT "your" perceptions!

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Another way to explain it is via smoking. To some people a cigarette tastes amazing (when they're addicted), but to most people it tastes bad and smells bad. The cigarette is the same; the only thing different is the perception.

~20 years ago I was against the smoking bans because I was in favor of more freedom, and I thought "What next? Are they going to ban fast food?" Now I kinda think they should also ban fast food (not literally, but discourage it). It's addictive, and changes your perception of REAL food in a way that empirically is very difficult to get out of ... to the point that many people die of diabetes first. It's also so cheap that it warps the selection in the supermarket and at restaurants.

edit: I also agree with the sibling comment. I used to eat and snack 5-6x a day. Now I eat 2 meals a day, zero snacking, and don't feel hunger. It's purely an issue of perception. Surprisingly, after 20-30 years of those habits, my body changed its perceptions!

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#824

Methamphetamine is FDA-approved "as a short-term (i.e., a few weeks) adjunct in a regimen of weight reduction based on caloric restriction, for patients in whom obesity is refractory to alternative therapy, e.g., repeated diets, group programs, and other drugs." Source: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/00... (Sarcasm, obviously. Do not do this.)

https://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htm#medguide

I thought you were joking but you're not. Prescription meth is an actual thing...for ADHD...for children. I'd fire my doctor on the spot if he recommended such a thing.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

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post #738

Lift weights two or three times per week, and walk just barely enough to avoid being completely sedentary. Nothing crazy, I'm talking about using the weight machines at a gym, and walking just ~8k steps per day with a pedometer watch to gamify it. I'm a naturally obese person, and I've read a thousand of these threads over the years. Nearly every comment is either: * Telling you to "hack your body", with keto or what…

> walking just ~8k steps per day You kind of gloss over this, but 8k steps is around 3 miles of walking for the average person. You might be able to get that "naturally" if you live in an urban area and go out on foot every day to get coffee, groceries, etc., but if you're a typical WFH software engineer living in the suburbs, you're probably going to have to spend 45 min to an hour every day walking for exercise to…

Walking is the best way to begin that lifestyle change. Walking is easy, it's pretty relaxing, and it helps establish that there's a period of time in a person's day dedicated to getting them healthy. Plus, that 45 minutes of walking can be split up over the day. And with some commitment, most people can become pretty fast walkers.

You are absolutely right that adding an hour a day of exercise is a major lifestyle change, but so are a lot of things in life.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

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post #738

Lift weights two or three times per week, and walk just barely enough to avoid being completely sedentary. Nothing crazy, I'm talking about using the weight machines at a gym, and walking just ~8k steps per day with a pedometer watch to gamify it. I'm a naturally obese person, and I've read a thousand of these threads over the years. Nearly every comment is either: * Telling you to "hack your body", with keto or what…

> walking just ~8k steps per day You kind of gloss over this, but 8k steps is around 3 miles of walking for the average person. You might be able to get that "naturally" if you live in an urban area and go out on foot every day to get coffee, groceries, etc., but if you're a typical WFH software engineer living in the suburbs, you're probably going to have to spend 45 min to an hour every day walking for exercise to…

> if you're a typical WFH software engineer living in the suburbs, you're probably going to have to spend 45 min to an hour every day walking for exercise to achieve that number

Now, obviously this isn't for everyone, but my partner and I adopted a dog and she needs to be walked once or twice a day for about 45 minutes. It's been a great way to get us out of the house every day.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#828
Calorie counting is the one and only thing you need. Exercise, nutrition, less sugar or alcohol etc. are all good for you in their own ways but at the end of the day you need a caloric deficit. You can't trust yourself to do this without tracking, your body is a crazy lying conniver that wants you to perpetually stock up for a period of famine that is (probably) never coming. I lost my first hundred pounds mostly changing nothing but restricting calories with the Lose It app.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#829

Methamphetamine is FDA-approved "as a short-term (i.e., a few weeks) adjunct in a regimen of weight reduction based on caloric restriction, for patients in whom obesity is refractory to alternative therapy, e.g., repeated diets, group programs, and other drugs." Source: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/00... (Sarcasm, obviously. Do not do this.)

https://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htm#medguide I thought you were joking but you're not. Prescription meth is an actual thing...for ADHD...for children . I'd fire my doctor on the spot if he recommended such a thing.

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