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Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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My last day at work is Friday. I was hired three years ago to write web apps for a major children's hospital, but given no web servers to run the apps. That hasn't changed much. Let me repeat that. My job is to write web apps. I have no servers. The first "servers" I was given were three old RedHat boxes that were used in a share environment by researchers. Ports to the box weren't open and basically everyone was roo…

CHOP?

LOL No!

I met some guys there at a conference this past summer and was incredibly envious of their resources compared to us. If you think CHOP is bad, I hope that tells you a little bit about us!

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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It will put you in an odd land of "special guy" if you refuse to do on call. I've never seen or heard of on call mentioned as part of a hiring contract, but maybe others have. It's expected, if you built or helped build something, that you will be on call at some point. It's absurd to me you would avoid it, but maybe you're special.

absolutely and violently disagree. the hiring process should convey expectations, and the negotiation process is being done in bad faith if expectations are hidden. being on-call should be reflected in compensation. if on-call expectations are brought up after compensation is negotiated, that is a problem.

I agree it should be part of the compensation package, but not every place is that progressive (yet?). OP might bring that up, or negotiate some form of compensation (ex: day off after on call, whatever). But I tend to agree with parent -- having an on-call schedule that developers participate in is a normal part of professional software engineering (assuming services of course).

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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I want to be fired. Joined as Staff Software Engineer in pretty well-known company. Turned out they work a lot. There is no too much work-life balance. 95% of these folks don't have kids, and I have. I need to go home at 5, often earlier, cos commute sucks. They allow to work from home 1 day a week. Now I'm in jeopardy - need to stay for 6 more months to have my stocks and sign-in bonus vested. Also new change won't…

> Also new change won't look good on my resume.

Unless you work for people that have kids. Its difficult to understand what kids do to your schedule and needs until you have them. I've met plenty of employers where your situation could be explained with "I have kids, and they weren't flexible", and 0 questions would be asked. Its honestly a good test of whether your employer understands WLB and how to keep people happy.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

#804

My last day at work is Friday. I was hired three years ago to write web apps for a major children's hospital, but given no web servers to run the apps. That hasn't changed much. Let me repeat that. My job is to write web apps. I have no servers. The first "servers" I was given were three old RedHat boxes that were used in a share environment by researchers. Ports to the box weren't open and basically everyone was roo…

This is both funny and sad, but it just leaves me curious what did you spend your time doing for three full years working like that?

I'm exaggerating at the situation, but not too far off. For the past year, I've been working on an ETL app. I used Go at my last job, so I really got to hone my skills especially in regards to threading challenges. Kafka and Cassandra were also new to me.

Still, the VMs these are running on are a complete mess. Frequent, unannounced infrastructure changes, spin drives, old Java in Docker are just some of the issues that made the environment completely unstable. They chase sexy buzzwords like "big data" and "machine learning" but give us spin drive machines to do it.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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It's the culture. We working stiffs aren't people. We're "human resources". Resources exist for but one purpose: to be exploited until they are exhausted. Once exhausted, they are abandoned in favor of fresh, untapped resources. Not saying socialism is the answer, but is capitalism as currently implemented really that great a deal for people who work for a living?

"Nobody rose in Packingtown by doing good work. You could lay that down for a rule—if you met a man who was rising in Packingtown, you met a knave. That man who had been sent to Jurgis' father by the boss, he would rise; the man who told tales and spied upon his fellows would rise; but the man who minded his own business and did his work—why, they would "speed him up" till they had worn him out, and then they would t…

where's that from?

edit: googled it - the Jungle, I've been meaning to read that

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

#806

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I don't think anyone has gone to jail for HIPAA violations who wasn't intentionally misusing or stealing PHI.

not a lawyer , but I think intent is a big piece. That said, if you ever feel pressured to do something that you know, or even think, might "not be quite right" , diplomatically argue your point and get things in writing. Even an email thread between you and a manager is good. The idea is this: if the fecal matter hits the oscillator and auditors come in, you want evidence that you were doing what you were told, desp…

Unless you're boss tells you to do something so egregious that after the fact it will look like you're stealing or committing fraud you'll be fine.

If your boss says "Hey download all of the PHI for these celebrities to a flash drive and load it on your computer at home" you should definitely say no or get it in writing.

But if your boss says "hey I need a copy of George's medical records, e-mail them to me" as an individual you won't get in any personal liability for it.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

#807

Today was really close to it. I'm a team leader and I texted my boss in the morning that I'm sick today, he called me 10 minutes later asking me how I feel, and also telling me there is an alert in production, asking me if I saw it, and asking if I talked to my team members to check this. My throat hurts and I have fever, so no, I didn't do it.. I feel that I need to hold his hand with anything and if I'm sick he can…

Silence your phone, let it go to voicemail. When he asks why you didn't answer, say "I was sick with a fever and a sore throat. I didn't answer my phone because I was sleeping, trying to get better."

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

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I'm not good at getting fired. I am personable and don't slack off. Those positive qualities are having a negative impact on my dream. I've wanted to collect unemployment for years.

Everyone makes mistakes. You can as well, you just need to want. Some suggestions (read aloud in an enthusiastic, you-can-do voice): Deploy to production! On Friday evening! Something that doesn't even build on your machine! Hardcode an universal password into the auth backend ("toomanysecrets" is a classic)! Invert a few conditionals in almost unreachable code! Enforce an overly complicated review system! Be horribl…

I'll try harder...wait, you know what I mean. The first step is to stop being a workaholic, be more like the CEO.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

#809
I clicked expecting a What's the worst / most creative thing you'd do to get yourself fired? thread.

But I'll play.

My $dayjob involves hosted healthcare software. Looks more like bespoke outsourcing than SaaS. I'm on a two-person team responsible for a relatively tiny number of systems within each customers' deployment. Officially I'm on-call every other week. In reality, on a team this small, everyone is always on-call.

During my first year here, we busted ass to reduce after-hours calls -- cleaning up our own messes, giving support teams access to handle certain internal items, demanding better judgement of "Is this potentially affecting medical outcomes, or can this wait until normal working hours?", etc.

This year the company launched a more formalized and automated Major Incident process. Much human judgement has been removed -- if a Major Incident is raised, every team is contacted by a PagerDuty-like system to join a WebEx.

At the start of implementing this process, I found myself being called out-of-schedule by the automated systems. MIs weren't being raised that often so it took a few weeks to figure out that we were both being called every time and then months of venting to everyone up-the-chain as MIs were increasing in frequency before they finally believed us and got the right person engaged to fix it.

Then the reality of having a process with little human judgement really started to sink in. People default to CYA behavior. We're getting called for things that don't come close to meeting the criteria for a Major Incident. Often the MI process is initiated after the right teams have been engaged and are working towards resolution. We're getting stuck on calls for hours where the incident manager doesn't want to release anyone, "just in case they're needed later."

Right now I feel thoroughly abused by this process and automation and being such a small team. We've removed too much human discretion, and where there's any left, it's being exercised poorly. The anxiety I and my family experience when my phone rings is palpable.

Apart from this aspect of my employment, my job is pretty cush. The work itself isn't stressful, most of my coworkers are great to work with, management is above-average, PTO is generous. I've been officially 100% remote for three years now and at this point my life is completely structured around the freedom it provides. My salary is relatively high for direct W2 employment in my field -- nobody has come close to offering a big enough bump to make up for the monetary expenses of a soul-crushing commute, loss of benefits for a contract gig, and needing to pay for after-school care for my girlfriend's twins. Nevermind the intangibles.

Which makes me feel trapped.

The girlfriend changed jobs last month, trading a negligible amount of salary relative to shaving a dozen stressful commuting hours from her week and getting home about the same time as the kids. So that's a massive improvement to our lives -- I say 'our' because, aside from happier wife happier life, I'd not fully appreciated the burden I was feeling this past year having to be at home for the kids on an inflexible schedule -- plus we've removed the greatest obstacle to my changing jobs...

Tho I still feel fairly pessimistic about finding another job that doesn't leave me worse off financially or mentally.

Re: Ask HN: Who Wants to Be Fired?

#810

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Agree with what you're saying but it's quite easy for this thread to become an unironic mirror of Silicon Valley. A bunch of folks complaining that the free food at work isn't vegan or that they aren't making humanity better with their CRUD app. I don't see how a thread around that helps. We already know that more than most other professions, software engineers have options when moving jobs. If you want to be fired,…

> or that they aren't making humanity better with their CRUD app. Feeling like your work isn't positively impacting the world is a very common, completely valid complaint, and isn't specific to "Silicon Valley" at all. What's your problem with people talking about whether their work feels worthwhile? Why is that any less important of a conversation to have than all the other chatter that goes on here?

It also says something very human. That people want to make the world a better place. I do not understand a complaint against those that are seeking work that is more meaningful and beneficial to humanity. Isn't that exactly the type of work that we (as ... humans...) should be encouraging?
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