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Re: Ask HN: Why do I have to struggle with everything?

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You're right about equations---but you're far from convincing me that no religion in existence could be helpful to the OP. I'm not saying I know the right path for this person, but claiming that such a vast and varied body of ideas, philosophies, and practices as are included in religion as a whole cannot be helpful is a vast and sweeping claim that I don't feel you've substantiated.

If I tell you that you haven't understood my words, would you be able to go back and try to check my meaning again? Ideas are not helpful for obtaining enlightenment, and no enlightened teacher tells others their own ideas. They only tell people 'what exists' in the world, just as it is. As it happens, there is a specific, and mandatory process which must be undergone in order to obtain enlightenment. You cannot gain…

Would you possibly be able to explain "enlightenment" to me?

As far as I can tell, pretty much all of reality agrees with my understanding of it. Does that mean I'm already "enlightened"?

My guess is you mean something deeper? Perhaps a self-awareness capable of formulating thought/actions to (successfully) modify ones own disposition/situation? (which I guess often means influencing other people?).

Re: Ask HN: Why do I have to struggle with everything?

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I won't give you long advice here...only want you to understand that there is such a thing as "spinning your wheels too much"...I am pretty sure that you have put the work, show the eagerness to reach your goals but if you are stuck in the sand spinning your wheels will just make you really tired and frustrated. Stop. Look down at your feet (metaphorically speaking) observe why you don't seem to get traction, pick any one thing you think should help and do it. Keep going from there. Do it for you and enjoy every moment.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I have to struggle with everything?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I tell you that you haven't understood my words, would you be able to go back and try to check my meaning again? Ideas are not helpful for obtaining enlightenment, and no enlightened teacher tells others their own ideas. They only tell people 'what exists' in the world, just as it is. As it happens, there is a specific, and mandatory process which must be undergone in order to obtain enlightenment. You cannot gain…

Would you possibly be able to explain "enlightenment" to me? As far as I can tell, pretty much all of reality agrees with my understanding of it. Does that mean I'm already "enlightened"? My guess is you mean something deeper? Perhaps a self-awareness capable of formulating thought/actions to (successfully) modify ones own disposition/situation? (which I guess often means influencing other people?).

Enlightenment means to open one's eyes to what is in reality. But the problem is that you can't confirm the degree to which you've opened your eyes. How do you verify whether you know or really do not know a given thing? How do you see and verify the precision of your eyesight?

The thing is that someone's 'eyesight' (of their individual consciousness) is a function of their own individual degree of truthfulness. I hope that's understandable. In other words, how much and how precisely we can see the world is determined by how truthful we are individually. Degree of truthfulness can be defined as the degree of exactness of confirmation. For example, I might have 65% truthfulness and therefore 35% untruthfulness. But we can't tell how truthful we really are - we don't know how precisely and how closely we are able to confirm things. That's why even if we make a confirmation about something, we can't just believe our confirmation, and we have to keep checking. Through this process we can improve our own individual wisdom. And it's through wisdom that you can find the way to whatever abilities you want to have for yourself. All the ways exist in the world. It's a question of recognizing what way has the result you want and then you need the willpower to correctly practice the correct way.

There are many enlightenments along the way to obtaining the supreme, perfect, final enlightenment. However it's only a totally enlightened master, i.e. the one who has opened his/her eyes completely to the world, who can tell how truthful we really are.

If you really think you've obtained an enlightenment, I'd like to confirm it. You can either tell me what you can see, and then we can check it through proof, or as an alternative I can also ask you some questions about very simple terms that we learn at a young age and check through your answer what you can see.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I have to struggle with everything?

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The bad news is that if you get your dream job and meet the love of your life tomorrow you're still going to feel like this. The good news is that if you change yourself, your perspective, your thinking, and so forth, you'll be happy with what you have now, and with this happiness and self esteem, you'll find it much easier to accomplish things you want. There's a lot of thinking on how to do so. Buddhists, the stoic…

Interesting - can you please elaborate on those different cognitive skills? (also, both your plight and the efforts you put towards getting out of it sound very serious - best of luck to you)

Learning how to perceive emotional states in greater detail/resolution both in quality and in change over time is a big one. So is being able to observe their effect on your behavior and if possible to intervene and do something healthier. There are also things that map very well to neurological processes that are known to get completely wrecked during addiction, such as the ability to put your prefrontal cortex in charge and pursue deferred rewards.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I have to struggle with everything?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you possibly be able to explain "enlightenment" to me? As far as I can tell, pretty much all of reality agrees with my understanding of it. Does that mean I'm already "enlightened"? My guess is you mean something deeper? Perhaps a self-awareness capable of formulating thought/actions to (successfully) modify ones own disposition/situation? (which I guess often means influencing other people?).

Enlightenment means to open one's eyes to what is in reality. But the problem is that you can't confirm the degree to which you've opened your eyes. How do you verify whether you know or really do not know a given thing? How do you see and verify the precision of your eyesight? The thing is that someone's 'eyesight' (of their individual consciousness) is a function of their own individual degree of truthfulness. I ho…

Wonderful answer - thank you so much!

No, I'm not enlightened: I was wondering what it means. While I do think my "world view" is remarkably complete and accurate, I am aware that I purposefully deceive myself (I enjoy building mental pictures of fantasy reality futures, like, "what if I invented an anti-gravity device", and the corresponding fun I'd have building fake space-ships to prank people; some of these get so intricate and awesome that I don't want to look too deep at the seed of the idea (anti-gravity)... )

I have what I call my inbuilt "bullshit filter", and I no doubt annoy rather a lot too many people by not simply swallowing their ideas. Unfortunately, reality is not something that many people seem able to grasp. By way of quick example: global warming (now called "climate change", on account of the "warming" not actually being "global"). Everyone worships one side or the other of this debate - there are few, if any, people in the middle. The problem, is that there are 7+ billion of us. Whether or not global warming is true is utterly irrelevant, because there is simply nothing possible that can be done about changing the overall direction of all those people that could make any measurable difference. Now - take that "truth", and apply it to local problems: Should I put my plastic in the recycling bin? Should I pay more for electricity? Should I suffer the annoying blueness of LED lights, instead of the nice warm glow of incandescent? Why should I do what all those lunatics are telling me, and all these new "green" laws are forcing down my throat, when it's all just a 100% waste of time?

Same goes for conservation (aka: the "fun police"), road rules (would it be more, or less, safe on the roads, if all rules were abolished? And no, I don't mean immediately, I mean after the inevitable carnage that takes place between the "end of rules" and the point where drivers understand about using their brains when they drive. We don't have "how not to bump into people on sidewalk" rules, do we?), religious rules (many which make it into real government rules), and so on...

So, back to my point: "totally enlightened master" - that's the bit that triggered my bullshit-alarm.

I'm doubting any such thing is possible, or at least, not in our modern world anymore. Knowledge is so vast, nobody could become "finally enlightened" without cutting themselves of from it all. [amusingly, seems I've worked out form 1st-principals the idea behind monasteries?]. Even if you do master enlightenment in one part of your life, that's going to conflict with the "stupid people" you inevitably have to interact with, so you then have to somehow master the manipulation and/or tolerance of them, and being, as there are, so many people out there, not all of whom you can reach or influence, and indeed, many of them running media empires or otherwise swamping the conscience of others with bogus crap, you are basically screwed. You now have to deal with "knowing", but also "tolerating" those who do not, who also make rules and laws for you.

This seems a majorly thorny meme.

I am though, super-interested in your "some questions about very simple terms". I wonder what you'd ask?

Re: Ask HN: Why do I have to struggle with everything?

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I know this is probably not the best place to put this answer but I hope it finds its way to you and help you in your search. I was born christian and 10+ years ago lost my faith and became a "non believer". I had a few scares during my wife's pregnancy a few months ago and I remember waiting outside the emergency room and wandering what to do. I didn't believe in God or anything, I had nothing to comfort me or give…

"belief is the source and solution of all problems" I believe Plato said that. I believe he also said that of alcohol.

Rather than the age old "either X exists or it doesn't" your entire thing unraveled right here:

"I am not strong enough to be an atheist"

Anything from that point on had a 'motivating circumstance' behind it, a bias, a solution being sought.

Now, the concept of 'pray once a day' will be accepted, because a certain belief is already had: that belief is the issue, not a certain state or mode of being. A certain "strength" -- I believe you hit that on the head. There is a certain quality of person, called atheism.

Some of the "best" religious people I know, while having a "faith" are what I could also call atheist, in the purest sense: not just in an ideological sense, but in an active one: did they do that "all by themselves" or were they rubbing the magic rabbit foot all the way there? When they wanted to reach out for help, did they do it? Or did they endure?

The thing that is changing is a different mode of being taking root: one of operating on belief, rather than on your own. The answer when you cannot cope is not to find a mechanism to cope, a crutch, but to just endure or execute the thing. It is about strength. Sometimes it's about accepting things without a reason: what if one of your twins died? Exactly why is that "bad" per se? It feels like shit, yes, but all you can really say is that you currently do not want that. Petitioning someone for your desire is pure and simple. Making it into "I couldn't take it anymore so I felt too weak to be atheist" is just covering over the fact that you really really wanted your wife and kids to be ok.

That is your religion then. It's strong enough of a source of desire that you'd reach outside yourself to manipulate the universe itself if you had to, to cause the outcome you wanted. It could be said that is what the deity concept is. It's a mutable global variable ( which is not threadsafe ) designed to circumvent your own individuality and provide a hack to route-around the system as it is, allowing you to not learn or grow, just have what you want. Confusingly, some people have a deathwish or a sense of inferiority, so they get what they want so much easier.

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