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Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by prmoustache »

Are you guys doing 4 hours straight?

A relative is an ophtalmologist and she told me that when working on a screen we should at least follow the basic 20rule of pausing every 20minutes to look and focus 20feet away for at least 20 seconds to avoid having dry eyes and eye strain. Even on a regular screen I am usually so focused in my task I don't do that unless I am interrupted by someone and/or set an alarm. I imagine it would be even more difficult with a Vision Pro as you'd have to unstrap the thing from your head.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by prmoustache »

bpavuk wrote: post #78
prmoustache wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future is not needing to strap some heavy thing to your face but have a chip directly connected to your brain to serve as an interface for a computer.

UGH! imagine a BCI chip serving advertisements into your brain directly and recording everything from how you breathe to how you fuck to "personalize" said ads. no, I love technology, but I will never bind a piece of tech directly into my brain. we failed with mobile phones and we WILL definitely fail with BCI chips, ON THE EXACT SAME SPOTS. they will be impressive, sure, but they will also hold us captive past user…

I said an interface, not a full blown computer. The idea would be to have a standard protocol so you can control the computer of your choice (which could run adless open source software) without having to touch a keyboard, look at a screen or use headphones/speakers.

Obviously we'd have to legislate so that the kind of ad ridden stuff you mention is not allowed but that is a separate problem.

I think it is interesting in a way that it could allow deaf, mute and blind people to communicate more easily to other non disabled people and vice-versa but I fear we might lose progressively more senses (we have already lost many compared to the wildlife surrounding us) and we would progressively all become deaf and mute and reliant on technology.

But I don't see how we can avoid this kind of technology to take over at some point.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

amelius wrote: post #67
fh973 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Balance presumably.

If __they__ can do it: https://www.istockphoto.com/nl/foto/indian-little-girls-carr...

It's not a matter of "can" you do it, it's a matter of needing to do it. Do you make a habit of carrying a gallon of water on your head? You probably don't need to. I don't need to either. I certainly don't need to spend $3500 for the privilege of carrying a gallon of water on my head. Doing so is not necessary or beneficial to my life in any way. I could do it if my life depended on it, but it doesn't.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by lugu »

prmoustache wrote: post #81

Are you guys doing 4 hours straight? A relative is an ophtalmologist and she told me that when working on a screen we should at least follow the basic 20rule of pausing every 20minutes to look and focus 20feet away for at least 20 seconds to avoid having dry eyes and eye strain. Even on a regular screen I am usually so focused in my task I don't do that unless I am interrupted by someone and/or set an alarm. I imagin…

I am no doctor, but as you said, you need to release the strain in your eyes by looking away. I suppose that is something you can do with this class of devices as each eye has their own screen. This said, I have never used any type of VR headset.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by amelius »

chrizel wrote: post #75
zerr wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not have a battery externally, attached with a long cable?

The Vision Pro battery is already external, isn't it? But the device is heavy anyway, I think because of the used materials like glass.

Maybe they should add a helium balloon. Like this guy did with his bag:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fvfvUzy64sw

Not sure how convenient it is when working in an airplane, though. Maybe airplanes could be fitted with elastic straps that pull your VR device up?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by polo »

Oreb wrote: post #28

Yes. I spend maybe half of the year (on average) away from home, traveling with my MacBook. I bought the Vision Pro to use as a portable display, and I’ve been extremely happy with it. I work in it about 8 hours per day whenever I’m away from my home office setup, and quite often even when I’m at home. Having an enormous virtual screen is not the only benefit, I also feel that the immersion helps my focus. It’s easie…

This is exactly my experience. I love my AVP, travel a lot, it’s awesome on the road and I enjoy using it at home as well. The last time I was this excited by a computer was the NeXT. No other device has fostered feelings of awe as the AVP.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by kurige »

dgellow wrote: post #42
santiagobasulto wrote: post #10

I don't own Apple Vision Pro, but I tested them two times already and I'm amazed by the technology. I honestly think it's the future. We're probably WAY too early yet, and the Vision Pro might fail badly, but it is indeed the future. I did a special test session in Japan for "productivity" (the guys at the Apple Store were very friendly and agreed to let me install VSCode and Ghostty on the testing laptop. I cloned a…

What makes it fantastic and the future? Your comment is just saying it’s great but doesn’t explain why

Having your "workstation" with monitors floating around you in space wherever you're sitting or standing with zero cable management. Whether you're at home in the comfy chair, at a treadmill getting your steps in, or at a hotel on a work trip.

Once the resolution and UX gets good enough a lot of people would love to have their entire office setup replaced by a portable wearable with next to zero cable management. Doubly so if that opens up space in your expensive SF apartment.

That's all good in theory, but we're still a long, long away from this being the future, let alone a future that everybody wants.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?

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Post by bpavuk »

prmoustache wrote: post #82
bpavuk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UGH! imagine a BCI chip serving advertisements into your brain directly and recording everything from how you breathe to how you fuck to "personalize" said ads. no, I love technology, but I will never bind a piece of tech directly into my brain. we failed with mobile phones and we WILL definitely fail with BCI chips, ON THE EXACT SAME SPOTS. they will be impressive, sure, but they will also hold us captive past user…

I said an interface, not a full blown computer. The idea would be to have a standard protocol so you can control the computer of your choice (which could run adless open source software) without having to touch a keyboard, look at a screen or use headphones/speakers. Obviously we'd have to legislate so that the kind of ad ridden stuff you mention is not allowed but that is a separate problem. I think it is interestin…

> I said an interface, not a full blown computer.

does it matter? the moment my brain becomes a computer's peripheral (input and output alike), said computer can read from my brain and infer things I don't want it to infer.

> The idea would be to have a standard protocol so you can control the computer of your choice

good luck doing that without a regulatory push that's tenfold stronger than DMA. we are lucky to not have vendor-locked keyboards and mice.

> I think it is interesting in a way that it could allow deaf, mute and blind people to communicate more easily

...with the same research that has a HUGE potential for law enforcement/employer/adtech corp/Palantir/whoever to forcefully crack my brain open for them? no thanks I'd rather put `contentDescription` and `alt` properties of UI components as well as test the deaf/mute/blind experience rigorously than face BCI

> But I don't see how we can avoid this kind of technology to take over at some point.

so let's delay it for as long as we physically can!

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