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Re: Ask HN: Is vibe coding a new mandatory job requirement?

#81

The distinction between coding-by-prompting and knowing what to build is the right one, but I'd push it further. The problem with vibe coding isn't the coding part — it's that people are trying to think through their product while they're building it. That's always been a bad idea. AI just makes the consequences arrive faster. Good product thinking happens before you touch any tool. What problem are you actually solv…

Thinking first just isn't cost-effective anymore.

So many companies and products were built on a pivot. Why try to imagine the exact problem, user, success, etc. when you can build in seconds (or more reasonably days) and then find the right users' problems to rebuild around from actual users?

It might feel like kicking the can down the road. But it's a much more informed decision when users churn or they don't. And you can reach that decision point just about as quickly as a long thinking/planning phase.

Thinking while building is bad when paying multiple high-dollar humans for months per rebuild. It's arguably better when a full redesign costs you $10.57.

Re: Ask HN: Is vibe coding a new mandatory job requirement?

#83
To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't work at a firm that requires vibe-coding. The hype train in tech is honestly nauseating, and the so-called productivity boost neither shows up in the data nor in qualitative elements (like shovelware on GitHub or firms moving faster).

Vibe coding seems like a religion more than anything to me: engineers go and use techniques for prompting but rarely actually test those techniques relative to other ones. There is especially no evidence that vibe coding is a skill: the people most effective with these tools are people who would've been most effective without them (i.e. it relies on experience and domain knowledge).

If I were currently actively hiring and I wanted to capture skills that likely will translate well to an AI-augmented work strategy, I would focus on "code review" in the interview. I've only seen a handful of truly great, rigorous code reviewers in my career, but AI makes code review supremely important. Unfortunately, most of the real world "agentic coding" I've seen is light in review (lots of LGTMs!).

I think that firms are going to eventually collapse under their own weight unless models continue improving at the velocity slop is merged into main.

I will also note that I do use these tools, mainly as a search engine, and I do so in hiccups (I will use the tools for a month and then completely abstain for 1-2 months). I am worried about undermining my own cognitive fitness by overreliance on these tools.

Re: Ask HN: Is vibe coding a new mandatory job requirement?

#84
I was retired before the current "AI boom", but Visual Studio and the like were ubiquitous. The company I worked for tested developer applicants on a whiteboard - no auto complete, no documentation, etc. If one failed the whiteboard part of the interview, they weren't hired. I've talked to some of my former peers and they tell me that the whiteboard part of the interview continues and that those oriented towards "vibe coding" almost never make the cut. If they can't articulate a solution to a stated problem and outline a skeletal solution, they aren't hired. Personally, I don't care how effective one is at prompt construction, if they don't know how to design a solution, articulate it to a broad audience, etc., they have no business being hired. I realize many likely disagree and that's okay. Vibe coders could become this generations script kiddies.

Re: Ask HN: Is vibe coding a new mandatory job requirement?

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many companies cannot take advantage of it. Not everyone is making toy CRUD web applications to help consumers purchase things they don't want. Some people are making safety critical applications, and many more are making highly sensitive applications. At my job, we just got agents. Because we had to self-host them in our new data center. Our product isn't the kind that can be used with Claude or Gemini, like, legall…

So you just said that you couldn’t use coding agents because you are doing “very important things”, while you clutch your pearls about what other people are doing but your company is in fact using coding agents…

I'm not clutching my pearls over anything, and our applications aren't important. They're mostly stupid and bad, but because of laws we can't just hand out that data to anybody with a pulse.

I think using agents is great. I'm just saying that lots of people haven't been using them not because they're dumb or a (sigh) luddite or whatever, but because they can't.

The economy is really big, and while most companies play fast and loose with data, many don't. Of the ones that do, most of them probably should not, but because it's not technically illegal, of course they do. That principle is a big part of the reason why the US sucks.

For us though, it is actually illegal, so we don't. And we're not the fucking CIA or something, again, we make bad stupid products. So, if that's the case for us, that's the case for a lot of companies.

We legitimately had to buy a new datacenter for this shit.

Re: Ask HN: Is vibe coding a new mandatory job requirement?

#87
We caught a payment module last week where AI wrote it, tests passed, happy path looked fine. No error handling, no idempotency key. Senior dev flagged it in a minute. A vibe coder would have shipped it. The real skill is knowing when AI output is wrong, notprompting fast
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