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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by cyberlurker »

unosama wrote: post #21

The majority of Americans do not care and do not really want US tech to be global. The majority of Americans are ashamed of US soft power and the way we meddle with other countries constantly. While loss of dollar hegemony will have economic implicatiosn for the US, American's just don't really care about having dollar hegemony. We don't care about any of these things or what Europe is doing.

Correction, ignorant and misinformed Americans don’t want these things and do not care.

Let’s stop pretending that the individuals who voted for this administration actually wanted most of what it is doing. The majority voted off of feelings and will not like the end result. There is a lot of explaining away the stupidity and I find it really annoying.

It’s not a difference of opinion that Tariffs will cause a rise in prices, no matter what the current administration says.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by seydor »

itzprintz wrote: post #36
seydor wrote: post #6

Good headlines for sure, but i wonder: Suppose the war ends. Will the Europeans keep boycotting the cheap russian gas? Tarriffs are a nuisance to the US - the US doesn't export much.

I believe the stark realization over here in the EU is, that strategic dependencies we created either towards the East (Russia, e.g. gas) or the West (the US, e.g. defence), are making us too vulnerable.

Is the EU prepared for shale gas/oil? Willing to exploit the dutch oil fields or cyprus' giant gas fields. So far it has said a decisive no to those.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by dopidopHN »

827a wrote: post #44

> do they take it seriously or believe there is no alternative to US tech There isn't, broadly speaking. Oh yeah, gonna use OpenEuroLLM? Have y'all made the ePhone yet or is that still stuck in committee? Other countries will moan for a bit, no one likes having their free money and handouts taken away, then realize that US technology is still broadly the only option, and its actually quite good and even other US comp…

iPhone is a bad example. It’s built by 10s of company accros many, mostly Asian, country.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by culi »

rvnx wrote: post #2

Tesla FSD wont be authorized in Europe, this will be one direct consequence of all of that. In addition, tariffs will be put on cars coming from the US. Plus, US is now recognized as a very unreliable partner in terms of defense, that Europe regrets buying their systems.

Tesla FSD should never have been authorized in the US tbh. The safety record is horrifying. The whole reason Google didn't buy Tesla out early on is because they found out how much of their autonomous driving tech claims were all just marketing. Mercedes-Benz and many other vehicles are way ahead of Tesla on this front but Tesla still goes the most in on marketing this feature

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by redserk »

whynotminot wrote: post #18

Switching search engines to what? AI-powered search also created by American companies? America's image is toxic to everyone right now (including its own citizens). But I don't really see that many valid alternatives. It's not like Europe has done much to cultivate any kind of relevant software industry.

I don’t understand this notion suggesting Americans are the only people on earth capable of software development. This comes up in various threads about China, too.

For independent indexes, Brave’s search came from a German company and Yandex certainly isn’t American.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by dralley »

le-mark wrote: post #28

Is the backlash worse than the Bush invasion of Iraq in 2003? Is it worse than the first Trump administration? Genuinely curious. The reality is the 50% of voters who DID not vote for the current president are just as shell shocked as the Europeans. Only we KNEW it was coming.

Not a European, but yes. The US is actively siding with Russia against Europe during the largest war in Europe since WWII, and using the threat of revoking access to American tech (Starlink) and weapons to force them into a terrible and exploitative agreement whose only beneficiaries are the US and Russia. Europeans now need to realistically consider that working with US technology companies is like relying on Russian gas, because those threats have actually been made.

Meanwhile our President also keeps threatening to invade sovereign territory (Greenland) of a NATO ally (Denmark) and using language w/r/t Canada that is almost indistinguishable from how Russia talked about Ukraine a decade ago. And Canadians are fucking pissed about it.

It's very, very different than his first term or even Iraq.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by Kudos »

whynotminot wrote: post #18

Switching search engines to what? AI-powered search also created by American companies? America's image is toxic to everyone right now (including its own citizens). But I don't really see that many valid alternatives. It's not like Europe has done much to cultivate any kind of relevant software industry.

As a European, completely eliminating corporate US tech doesn't have to be an all or nothing goal. Switching from Google to DDG or Kagi is an improvement even if they're just a frontend for Bing.

It's a massive opportunity for European-based companies to compete. I expect a lot more funding to start materialising here as a result.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by caminante »

abraxas wrote: post #14

Never thought I'd live to see the end of Pax Americana and yet here we are. To give up this amount of control and soft power just to cozy up to the corpse of the Soviet union is not the universe branch I expected to find myself in. You yanks might think this is some display of your upper hand. Just wait until the civilized world turns its back on the greenback as the reserve currency. You will be so fucked.

It'd take a lot more than that.

EU has lagged US due to systemic issues like over regulation and limited investments. See Draghi's report.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by 0xbs0d »

le-mark wrote: post #28

Is the backlash worse than the Bush invasion of Iraq in 2003? Is it worse than the first Trump administration? Genuinely curious. The reality is the 50% of voters who DID not vote for the current president are just as shell shocked as the Europeans. Only we KNEW it was coming.

It's much, much worse than both of those. And we view it more like, only 1/3 of Americans have voted against this while 1/3 voted for it and 1/3 was ok with that. So yeah, the resentment and anger towards the US and it's citizens is growing.
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