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Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#81

In my experience it doesn't do much. For example, I made the mistake of contributing to the campaign of a politician. Now I get texts from candidates all over the country. If I reply STOP to one, I just get sent more texts from another number, for another candidate in another state. I just got tired of replying with STOP after the 20th time. This just guarantees I'm never giving any money to any candidate ever again.

I had some woman use my email (I have an OG mac.com email), when donating to her local ASPCA.

They sold it to a liberal political group, who then sold it to an extreme liberal group.

I get dozens, sometimes hundreds, of spam emails, every day, with the most batshit insane messages. It’s especially bad, now, with the US election coming up. The one saving grace, is that it wasn’t a right-wing group. They make the ultra-liberals look like a bunch of teetotalers.

Since she used the iCloud.com variant of the address, I simply nuke all emails that specify that, as a destination. Apple won’t let me block the domain, so I have to apply the rules, after they fill my inbox.

Sometime in there, one of the spammers figured out that icloud.com will also receive iMessage texts, so they have started coming to that, as well (so far, it is from legit political groups. I don’t expect that to last). I delete and report as junk. I very rarely respond with STOP.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#82

Don’t reply - that can be used to confirm your number is real. That info is used and resold to spam you even more. Also the STOP keyword works only on some source phone numbers technically. In the US you can report the spam texts by forwarding the message to 7726 (“SPAM” on your keypad) at which point your carrier will text you back and ask for the source number. This doesn’t report the message to the government agen…

Great that there is a 'procedure' to follow, how can this be automated? Spammers are using automation too right?

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks... that seems really labor intensive.

It's done with slave labor. It's called pig butchering. You kidnap people, hold them in Cambodia or whatever (lots of locations where local criminal gangs rule) so the locals don't bother checking for literally kidnapped slaves. If police stop by, pay them off and make up a story about debts and punishment. Then you use the slaves to scam others in pig butchering scams. If the slaves refuse, you beat them until they…

Btw this is also used as a sob-story tactic by the scammers if you eventually call them out after some time.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#84
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It kinda depends on which platform handles their bulk messages. For example, if they are messaging you through Twilio, replying with "STOP" will cause Twilio itself to opt you out of messages ( https://help.twilio.com/articles/223134027-Twilio-support-fo... ), and the sender can't disable that ( https://help.twilio.com/articles/360034798533-Getting-Starte... ). It's kinda like how Mailchimp handles unsubscriptions fo…

Speaking mostly for the US here. The STOP keyword is mandated as unsubscribe at the carrier level (Verizon, ATT, TMo) not just the vendor level. So if you reply STOP, it's very likely that you will not receive another message from that number. This will be true for any programmatic SMS vendor. There could be smaller scale & more manual approaches, but that would be rare. There has been a big effort in the last year+…

I've been getting presidential political messages, each from a different number.

wonder if STOP will work for only the same number, or globally.

I also know political messages have lots of loopholes, thanks to the politicians who create the laws.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#85

In my experience it doesn't do much. For example, I made the mistake of contributing to the campaign of a politician. Now I get texts from candidates all over the country. If I reply STOP to one, I just get sent more texts from another number, for another candidate in another state. I just got tired of replying with STOP after the 20th time. This just guarantees I'm never giving any money to any candidate ever again.

Why is it necessary to give them your number if you do a donation? It seems many here have the same negative experiences.

Is it an optional field? If not one could practically enter any digits or can one get punished for that?

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks... that seems really labor intensive.

It's done with slave labor. It's called pig butchering. You kidnap people, hold them in Cambodia or whatever (lots of locations where local criminal gangs rule) so the locals don't bother checking for literally kidnapped slaves. If police stop by, pay them off and make up a story about debts and punishment. Then you use the slaves to scam others in pig butchering scams. If the slaves refuse, you beat them until they…

So reply asking if they want you to notify authorities in their city. I doubt that the kidnappers are reading every message. And even if they are, better to let the kidnappers know that they are being encroached upon.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#87

I have a related question regarding snail mail: when I lived in the US, Utah in particular, I used to get tons and tons of ad leaflets on my mail; so much that it was hard just sorting out the trash (and not throwing a bill away, which I did twice). Is there a way to tell the postal service to stop this? The volume was insane.

Well, there is a certain loophole whereby you can inform your postmaster that the materials you've received are immoral, pornographic, and offensive to you, and then they're required to filter it out. But that gambit may not work for you.

You could also do what I do: go paperless for everything and then you'll never receive legit mail again. Tip all the rest into the rubbish bin!

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#88
It's like email. If you press unsubscribe you just confirm the email is valid. If you send STOP back you just confirm there's a human reading the messages at that number.

Besides, this seems to be an US only thing so it will only work for law abiding US based spammers^H^H^Hdirect marketers. Not for spammers outside the US, US based spammers that don't care about the law or scam/phishing messages.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I want to know is, what's the purpose of those random texts that just say something like, "How's it been?" from a number that I've never communicated with? What's the angle there? Anyone know? My understanding is that they will pretend it's a wrong number, but then make a joke or talk about some innocuous hobby and try to build up trust over weeks/months to eventually phish or scam you. I forget where I read i…

Thanks... that seems really labor intensive.

But with big payoffs.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#90
post #3

It kinda depends on which platform handles their bulk messages. For example, if they are messaging you through Twilio, replying with "STOP" will cause Twilio itself to opt you out of messages ( https://help.twilio.com/articles/223134027-Twilio-support-fo... ), and the sender can't disable that ( https://help.twilio.com/articles/360034798533-Getting-Starte... ). It's kinda like how Mailchimp handles unsubscriptions fo…

Speaking mostly for the US here. The STOP keyword is mandated as unsubscribe at the carrier level (Verizon, ATT, TMo) not just the vendor level. So if you reply STOP, it's very likely that you will not receive another message from that number. This will be true for any programmatic SMS vendor. There could be smaller scale & more manual approaches, but that would be rare. There has been a big effort in the last year+…

Aside from Pig Butchering (see other comments) this also verifies a number is real or in-use when somebody replies.
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