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Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#81
I'm 40+ and I've just handed in my dissertation for a BSc in computer science. I've also just started an MSc in cyber security.

My advice. If you want to get a job just do courses that are going to teach you the practical things you need to know/are interested in. Academia is a waste of time unless you're going into academia, or an industry that requires academic skills.

All the stuff I can do is self taught, though these course have taught me the fundamentals.

If I knew then what I know now I would have gone a different way.

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#82

I'm 40+ and I've just handed in my dissertation for a BSc in computer science. I've also just started an MSc in cyber security. My advice. If you want to get a job just do courses that are going to teach you the practical things you need to know/are interested in. Academia is a waste of time unless you're going into academia, or an industry that requires academic skills. All the stuff I can do is self taught, though…

> dissertation for a BSc in computer science

Wait, dissertation? What country are you in?

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#83
I'm in a AI/ML masters and it is pretty cheap.

While it takes time to do, it has really held me accountable to actually go learn the things I really ought to be learning rather than being stagnant.

I'm a staff PM at a big tech company and I came to realize that nobody knew this stuff, not even the people we are hiring to implement it. Therefore I decided to go out and learn it as my skillset needed a refresh (I come from the mobile dev boom)

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#84

I'm in a AI/ML masters and it is pretty cheap. While it takes time to do, it has really held me accountable to actually go learn the things I really ought to be learning rather than being stagnant. I'm a staff PM at a big tech company and I came to realize that nobody knew this stuff, not even the people we are hiring to implement it. Therefore I decided to go out and learn it as my skillset needed a refresh (I come…

Mind sharing the link to the masters you're taking?

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#85
post #84

I'm in a AI/ML masters and it is pretty cheap. While it takes time to do, it has really held me accountable to actually go learn the things I really ought to be learning rather than being stagnant. I'm a staff PM at a big tech company and I came to realize that nobody knew this stuff, not even the people we are hiring to implement it. Therefore I decided to go out and learn it as my skillset needed a refresh (I come…

Mind sharing the link to the masters you're taking?

It is the UT Austin program. It is a bit more theory heavy akin to early Andrew Ng courses at Stanford.

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#86

To be honest not really. For mid career pivots, your work on your resume counts more than a degree. You'd see more success transitioning organically by helping out with simple technical projects on the team and filling knowledge gaps with YouTube. Formal courses fill you with information that gets forgotten without practical application. PMs with engineering knowledge are actually very valuable. I love cross-function…

I went through a similar change from PM(-T in my case) to SDE, and I can +1 the parent. The best way to make a mid career change is to find a job where the old and new role can overlap, which I how I did it as well. If you're currently working as a PM, try to get an engineering role for the same product. The engineering part will be new, but you will be able to leverage your domain expertise.

I will caution you that SDE is a job family that requires a ton of practitioner experience, especially at the higher job levels (and you likely don't want to transition to a lower level). The only way I was able to make this change was because I have a relevant college degree and because I started out my career as an SDE and always kept up to date. And even with that, it took me 2.5 years to make the job change official.

Still, don't let that caution scare you, if you really want the change and you want it for the right reasons. SDE is probably the easiest of the STEM disciplines to get into without a format education in the field.

And finally, another big +1 on the parent's comment about PM-T with technical experience being super valuable.

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

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post #82

I'm 40+ and I've just handed in my dissertation for a BSc in computer science. I've also just started an MSc in cyber security. My advice. If you want to get a job just do courses that are going to teach you the practical things you need to know/are interested in. Academia is a waste of time unless you're going into academia, or an industry that requires academic skills. All the stuff I can do is self taught, though…

> dissertation for a BSc in computer science Wait, dissertation? What country are you in?

UK. That's what the uni calls it.

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#88
I would recommend considering the Georgia Tech Online Masters in CS. You can manage the work at your own pace. It is extremely cost-effective, and Georgia Tech is well recognized as a tech-forward university.

Btw, I highly I applaud your decision to go deep tech mid-career. I think there's not enough strong product people in deep tech. Even if you go back to product afterwards, your strength in understanding the problem space and available solutions will serve you well.

I'm also mid-to-late career PM transitioning back into deep tech. My path is a little bit different than yours. I'm doing a hard tech startup instead.

Re: Ask HN: Is a Masters in CS/Engineering worth it for a mid-career PM?

#90

Consider that taking 5-10 graduate courses and writing a master's level thesis or project will generally take all of your free time and a bunch of your savings over the course of two or more years. (I sure hope you're not thinking to take on debt for this!) And while you'll absolutely learn some things and find yourself excited about some ideas in those couple years, you will forget almost all of the stuff your learn…

Yes, I want to be a PM with deep technical understanding. What are the other more efficient paths?

YouTube, and build your ideas. Preferably before finding out how it has already been solved.

Early on I just read books and built distributed systems and database engines from scratch.

These days I have been able to drink from the firehose on YouTube for a variety of subjects. Physics, chemistry, business finance, technical analysis (stocks), CAM, food production, and plenty more. I'm literally blown away at how much more efficient it is than trudging through college. If you put in the work you can go deep and gain skills very quickly.

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