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Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

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We have a hybrid solution: A joint checking & savings pair (+ credit card) into which paychecks are deposited and against which living expenses (mortgage, food, etc), are drawn; and personal checking & savings accts with monthly transfers from the joint accts. The personal accounts are our 'fun money', and don't get much - they mostly exist to offload the actual bookkeeping of the discretionary spending to the bank,…

We do something very similar. All pay goes into a joint account and all the bills and joint expenses come out of that one.

We pay ourselves each an allowance that covers our personal spending. That's basically everything I spend money on by myself, so lunch out, treats, games whatever.

I think its a really good way if avoiding any worry about "wasteful" spending. What we each value is different. If we need to tighten our belts we just reduce the allowance, we don't need to fight over what specific spending is or isn't acceptable.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

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Seems like you have every combination of responses here!

We went with totally separate. I owned a house so no rent or mortgage, so I just paid the bills and she bought the food. I got paid more so it worked fine.

Mind you, I don't really care about money other than having enough to do stuff so it might depend on your attitude.

We did split but it had nothing to do with money.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

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Like a bunch of folks are saying, the most important thing is that you are both on the same page regardless of what you choose. As far as all joint accounts vs having individual accounts, I think if has to do with how you view marriage. Is it a single whole, or is it a joined pair of individuals. For me personally, I view my wife and I as single team. Everything is joint (outside of a few super old accounts like othe…

In my mind, having a separate bank account is no different from being a physically separate human being. The taller partner will be the one who grabs more things off of high shelves. The partner with a higher salary will pay more of the bills. I don't think it's fair to characterize this arrangement as a lack of commitment.

However, my wife and I do not particularly struggle financially, in part because we do not yet have children. We both have careers and steady incomes, so our individual spending habits are not a major source of conflict. We expect to have a joint account when we become parents. This would be especially important if one of us stopped working.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

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Get a pre-nup, they're cheap. I didn't set up any joint accounts with my spouse so I kept most of my money when we divorced. I used combinations of checks, cash, and PayPal to give them money when they needed it. Eventually I admitted I didn't want a partner who never had any income of their own. If you can really help it, don't marry anyone.

Do you often find that your close relationships end when you decide the benefits aren't enough to justify continuing? I don't know how to say this without it sounding critical, have you ever considered thst you might be suffering from narcissistic personality disorder?

I have considered that. I asked my therapist a few times and she says I'm not a narcissist. I'm not sure what the criteria are. I do experience sympathy (or empathy, which ever is the one where I can feel bad for someone without feeling literal pain), and guilt, and compersion and such, but at times I think I'm more Machiavellian than average. I don't want a relationship where I give and give and realize I've accidentally given more than I can emotionally afford. So I'm purposely under-giving for a while.

Close relationships are very hard for me. I can count on one finger the number of close friendships I've had that were not romantic relationships. I can count on two fingers the number of romantic relationships I've had. I'm 35 so I'm not old but not young. It's probably a combo of gifted-kid BS and autism and general being an engineer, plus having a sudden glow-up a few years ago and feeling unlovable and ugly before that.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

#85
One shared credit union account, with a checking, savings, and credit card account.

A spreadsheet that tracks periodic expenses - which produce an average monthly bill that we round up and split, each of us has an automated monthly deposit into the checking account, and the credit card automatically pays itself off from the same account. As many utilities as possible are auto paid by the credit card, the rest auto debit from the checking account. We keep about the checking balance at $1000 minimum to get a higher tier interest rate.

Additionally, we both drop $100 from each pay check into the savings account - so when we want to get or do something fun together, we have some extra sitting around.

At the end of every month, I sit down and draw up a little spending report for where our money has gone - and we either pat ourselves on the back, or grimace and resolve to be a little thriftier next month.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

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Like a bunch of folks are saying, the most important thing is that you are both on the same page regardless of what you choose. As far as all joint accounts vs having individual accounts, I think if has to do with how you view marriage. Is it a single whole, or is it a joined pair of individuals. For me personally, I view my wife and I as single team. Everything is joint (outside of a few super old accounts like othe…

> To me, having separate individual accounts, feels like you aren't committing fully to marriage and are keeping your money yours "just in case." If you are already feeling like you need a "just in case," why are you get married to begin with. And even if that's not true, keeping track of everything separately just seems so... exhausting. Like, you pay the electricity, I'll pay the water bill, you pay 75% of the mort…

> Like, you pay the electricity, I'll pay the water bill, you pay 75% of the mortgage, I'll pay 80% of our vacation, but we split meals 50/50...

Sure, it can be exhausting to keep track of everything separately and constantly re-calculate shared bills each month. But it doesn't have to be split like that. Here's a few examples I've seen that seem to work well.

Example #1: (a married couple, with equivalent incomes)

Add up rough costs once (water bill, electric, cell phone, rent or mortgages, etc), just one time. Then both commit to automatically dump maybe 5% more than half of that every month after. (So if all monthly costs add up to say, $2800/month, each person puts $1500/month into that checking account). Bills auto-pay automatically, the balance should slowly grow, if it starts to go too low, recalc to make up the difference. (kind of like how escrow works on a mortgage)

Example #2: (a married couple, with wildly different incomes)

Have a discussion about shared goals and shared debt. (Is the poorer spouse still paying off student loans? Is the wealthier spouse paying off debt from a previous marriage). Figure out a number that feels 'fair', based on cost of living and divided by share of income. And then the poorer spouse contributes this 'fair' fixed figure per month automatically, and the wealthier spouse covers the bulk of everything else. For example, if Person A makes $110k/yr, and Person B makes $40k/yr, Person B might contribute a 'fair' 50% of their take-home salary (~$1300/month) and Person A might contribute a 'fair' 50% of their take-home salary (~$3300/month) and all shared CoL expenses come out of that combined monthly pot (Groceries, Utilities, Rent+Mortgage, Car Payments + Insurance, Cell Phones, etc)

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> And then you have those cases where I can afford to go to Disney World, but my spouse only has enough for Six Flags because she makes less or hasn't been saving--now what?

You just decide what it's worth and why, and make an agreement on how to save for it? I think your assuming the talk is exhausting because it feels like a constant fight or at least a negotiation and a math problem. But if set it up right, you only have them a couple of times a year, and if you are doing these conversations with someone you love (presumably, someone you love enough to commit to marrying them), they don't have to be that exhaustive, it's just fun banter, the way a couple might playfully banter about what to eat for dinner, or what movie to go see or such.

> OMG that just sounds like so much work to manage, all for what?

Some people have put their 110% effort into a marriage for many years (or even decades!) only for it to end in disaster anyway. You can fully commit to a marriage, and also think people can change over time. It's loving to help people feel safe and secure, even from someone who might be your own partner. Especially for folks who've gone through a divorce already, safety and security in any possible scenario (even the worst one) can feel very loving too.

It only takes one time of being "committed fully to marriage" and having it end in divorce anyway, before you realize it's crazy to pretend that's never a possibility.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

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I didn't see anybody mention this, but one important thing is if you are / will be living in a community property state.

If you live in a community property state, and you want to keep things legally separate, that takes a lot of specific effort. I've always lived in community property states, my spouse and I took relatively zero assets into the marriage, and we're on the same page with spending and frugality, so I was 100% on board with joint accounts and delegated authority on the primary checking account. Keeping one checking account for two people is a labor savings. We ended up with separately managed credit cards, so if we make a big purchase on the other's card, we communicate. And I manage the primary checking account, but she has custody of the checkbook; so if she one of her credit cards has a large payment or writes a big check, we communicate. If there's any big changes in our investments, we communicate.

If you're living close to your means, communication will be necessarily more frequent. If you're living well below your means, you don't need to talk frequently about money because a payment that needs pre-authorization isn't as big.

For cars, it would probably be most flexible to have ownership as X or Y, but all of our cars are under my name at the moment because it was less effort. The house is in both of our names.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

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In my first marriage we combined our finances, at my wife's insistence. This was simple in that we had only one account, but complex in that we had to negotiate over spending in a tedious fine-grained way. Our priorities and risk tolerances differed greatly; I felt like my wife ended up with all the money, while I ended up with all the responsibility. Unable to resolve this (or any other) conflict peacefully, our partnership foundered.

In my second marriage we kept separate accounts, at my insistence, having learned an incomplete lesson from the first. We divided shared expenses in proportion to our respective incomes, otherwise managing our own affairs. This was simple in that we rarely had to talk about money, but as my income grew, while her career (and mental health) deteriorated, it became awkwardly lopsided; resentments accumulated. Again, being unable to resolve our conflicts peacefully, the marriage failed.

In my third marriage we have both individual and shared accounts, for administrative convenience, though we tend to think of everything we are doing as a joint effort. We have structured our flows of income and expense differently at different times, depending on our circumstances, and we check in every couple of months to make adjustments as needed. This works - and I believe it will continue to work - because we consistently keep each other's interests at heart and resolve our conflicts in a way which draws us closer together.

In summary, I believe that the details of your financial structure are less important than the process of communication and accommodation you establish around it. There's no single right answer, and the right-now answer might not work so well next year. What matters is that you include a periodic check-in about financial state as part of your ongoing expression of care for your partner's well-being, that you maintain flexibility and willingness to adapt as your life changes, and - most of all - that you resolve your differences in a way which leaves you feeling like a team.

Re: Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner

#90

- Both in our early 30s, no kids. - Our salary goes to our individual savings accounts. - A shared checkings account gets topped up to $5000 every month, proportionally to both of our salaries, to optimize for equal purchasing power when buying shared stuff. - We don't really budget anything because we save quite a bit, but we do classify all bank transactions into a few categories and look at a month-by-month matrix…

> - A shared checkings account gets topped up to $5000 every month, proportionally to both of our salaries, to optimize for equal purchasing power when buying shared stuff. I'm assuming this isn't automated, right? Asking because if your bank does somehow allow an automatic transfer based on a target amount in an account that'd be really cool.

Ally let's me do recurring transfers to support the same account setup that they mentioned.
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