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Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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UK. I haven't used or carried cash here for about 3 years. Other than a really inconvenient time someone gave me some for one of my kids and I had to pay it in.

Luckily, cash is still a majorly accepted payment method over here from my experience. I did my weeks food and charity shop shopping all with cash on the weekend. Markets are still very accepting of cash as an example. We have options still but for how long, I'm not too sure but hopefully indefinitely.

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Since nobody's chimed in here from Germany yet: Germany's broadly a hold-out. Particularly a lot of restaurants, bars and clubs are still cash-only, and some smaller shops definitely prefer cash. Used cars are, interestingly, almost always cash-only. Person to person transactions (i.e. buying something you pick up in person) are almost always cash. Open air markets (produce, flea markets) are always cash. Electronic…

To add, Germany is an outlier when it comes to cashless payment adoption, even (and especially when) compared to its neighbours. Overall, our experience is that it is impossible to be out and about cashless in Germany as there is no telling which bar / beergarten / restaurant / shop only accepts cash.

It's changing in larger cities. I only have to use cash very rarely now - in small Döner or pizza shops that evade taxes.

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Puerto Rico (USA Territory) - Digital payments in the form of debit or credit cards are pretty much universal here, but most fast foods, small business and even semi-formal business (mom+pop) accept an app-based payment called ATH movil. This system is sponsored by the largest bank here (although it's not owned by them). This is so strong here that many businesses apologize when they can't accept it, and the smallest business only accept either cash or ATH móvil. Not all the local banks and credit unions support the system. So when you don't have cash and cannot use ATH móvil to pay, you might feel excluded from the local economy. In my opinion this bank is using the app to consolidate the oligopoly in the local market. Which is almost a monopoly because the other banks are insignificant to them (in size). Of course, they share the system with other tiny banks and credit unions, so you cannot claim monopoly. In addition, the system belongs to a company that they spun off a few years ago.

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, the answer is no, I don't care about this at all.

Would you also not care if that dataset gets leaked to the internet some day?

So keeping all payments in one places makes you less safe? Doesn't spreading out purchases between banks, credit cards and payment systems make it more likely? If I were that worried I'd pick on system that seemed to have the best track record and stick with it, which would probably be all Apple with things drawn on a mid sized bank chain with a good reputation. How does single sourcing not improve security?

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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I'm in Taiwan. I have a bit of a hobby of checking out digital payment systems everywhere I go. I checked out Japan, Macau, Hong Kong, China, Germany, France, the UK, and obviously the US.

The thing that is the most glaring difference between the western countries and the east Asian ones is that in the US and Europe, there is an ultimate goal of try to force people to use e-payment systems to get some kind of regulatory benefit. Therefore people also constantly push back for fear of excess control, and the government tries to mandate it to force only digital payment.

The approach in the Asian countries seems to be the exact opposite. From mpay in Macau, to Suica/Pasmo/PayPay, 街口支付/easycard in Taiwan ....

Most of them had their origin in transit card system(China is different). But they then had a proliferation of QR code payment systems that competed with each other for dominance.

The difference between the east Asian approach and the western one is that the east Asian one never needed to try to ban cash to push for e-payment. It offers so much convenience and other benefits that people don't really think about it in those terms. Want to pay your parking bill? The license plate scanner is connected to the machine at the front. Is privacy compromised? For some parking lots yes, for others no, but the speed of processing is so much better than anything I've seen in Europe.

Nobody is talking about banning cash here or in those other societies, but many people will not use cash, because its too much of a hassle.

EDIT: I guess I don't know enough about the smaller EU states since someone below just mentioned MobilePay.dk

But regardless, there is a level of competition in those Asian e-payment systems that does not seem to exist in "the West"

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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The US Army Corps of Engineers no longer accepts cash for campsites they manage. The US Government no longer accepts its own currency. That's where we are in the USA at least.

Not accepting cash should be illegal everywhere across the world. What if your battery dies?

If I remember correctly the US military has their own payment network (Eagle Pay) and issues stored-value cards to the enlisted.

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Czech Republic. Usually my girlfriend has ~$5 on her for stuff like lemonade stands or public bathrooms, and I'm the irresponsible one who hasn't carried cash since 2018. Some pubs, very small stores or small tourist attractions (climb a tower, see the inside of a church, etc) are still cash-only, especially in the rural parts of the country, but visiting or living in Prague (the capital) cashless is easy with zero i…

Can you finally pay for the metro tickets with card in those big, clumsy machines (not the one located at the central)?

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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In France (at least from observation, no data here) most people use cards, but there is a sizeable group that still uses cash. Large shops now have marked registers that explicitly accept cash, but most don't. There are still some restaurants and services (some doctors, smaller barber shops) that only accept cash. In general I only have small amount of cash on me, use it maybe once a month.

Re: Ask HN: To what extent have digital payments replaced cash in your country?

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italy, mostly cashless wherever I can (e.g. at the local market in a very small, remote town)

some merchants use the excuse that their POS is currently “not working”, or there are “connectivity” issues. with recent laws coming into effect every merchant has to accept cards, or be fined (ridiculous percentage..)

i always got some cash on me in case I stumble upon those ingenious and cunning merchants, but it’s getting less common that I actually don’t really need it

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