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Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by nurettin »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #54
codingdave wrote: post #13

The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried. It is a tool, and a good one, but not a replacement for the thought required to design an app that will function, scale, and have good UX to result in a marketable product. So use it and enjoy its benefits while letting it help you perform even better. As far as everything else you've said... oof, you need a break. You seem focused on money and ego. Maybe it is time to simpli…

> The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried I'm curious, as I see quite a few people saying this. You might not be worried about GPT4, but aren't you at least a little concerned about GPT8 or whatever? Just having a post like this a mere 5 years ago would've been unthinkable yet here we are.

There are limits to what the current hardware can achieve. That said, a theoretical gpt8 that displays reasoning skills several orders of magnitude better than gpt4 still has to work within the tools and boundaries set by the existing frameworks and it still be using input from existing pieces of work. And a person who is not an expert at using those frameworks and familiar with existing state of the art will not be able to piece together a complex application that actually works.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by gizmo »

wokwokwok wrote: post #68

I’m amazed at the number of people responding to this and answering the question they want to answer, not the question the OP is asking. > It just feels like anyone could do it. This. Yes, you’re 100% right. No, AI will not take away all the jobs, that’s not going to happen, but no one thinks it’s going to happen , anyone calling that out and saying… “don’t worry! AI is just a tool…” are beating a strawman. The reali…

Today, chatGPT can do zero percent 0% of the actual programming I do. I use chatGPT to find a library function or to find command line options and other simple stuff.

But actual programming? ChatGPT can only write completely trivial scaffolding code. I don’t understand how people get a significant productivity boost out of it when chatGPT can’t do design, can’t do algorithms, can’t do concurrency, can’t do architecture. I like chatGPT but I don’t see how it can even double my productivity.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by constantcrying »

grugagag wrote: post #75
constantcrying wrote: post #27

Nothing I have seen from ChatGPT has made me worried for my job. If your job is producing 20 line snippets solving variations of common coding tasks, ChatGPT is the least threat to your job security. To be honest the far greater threat to your job is an increase in the ammount of programmers plus an increase in individual productivity, with an industry declining in growth. There is your threat.

> To be honest the far greater threat to your job is an increase in the ammount of programmers plus an increase in individual productivity That productivity increase by a level of magnitude is from AI tools or ChatGpt. The field is gonna get a whole lot more competitive, the salaries will suffer as well but maybe it will be for the better routing jobs to other fields other than programming. What Im worring most is in…

The people who have the most to gain from an increase in productivity are those who already have lots of experience and are willing to embrace new technologies.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by me_me_me »

cj wrote: post #20

My dad ran a local dental lab for 30+ years, making crowns and bridges for local dentists. Over the course of a few years, dentists began using 3D scanners to digitally scan patient impressions, which allowed them to email the scans to my dad's dental lab (previously he'd have to drive to each dentist and pick it up in person). Then, 1-2 years later, they started emailing the 3D scan to a company in China who would d…

> Technology has been displacing jobs for decades. Life is about learning and adapting. As long as you commit to adapting quickly, learning new skills as necessary and being open to different types of jobs, you should be fine.

That seems to be a contradiction of your story. Your dad was lucky to be able to retire. He did not adapt. He had to quit and he got low end job.

Its easy to say adapt re-skill, innovate but to a lot of people it might not be an option.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by dsr_ »

Programming is the reification of making decisions -- plus a lot of shiny fashionable chrome. That is, most of it is about thoroughly understanding the meaning of a process, and getting it right.

LLMs don't understand meanings at all. They are anti-compressors. If the information content of a message is how unpredictable it is (and therefore how uncompressable), LLMs generate the most predictable, least information-dense output from your prompt.

So: focus on meaning and decision making. Set LLMs to do fluff and shiny bits.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by emptyspaces »

tomlue wrote: post #60

There are a lot of developers in denial here. I write code for scientific applications. I used to hire/contract out some work to other devs. In the last 6 months I haven't needed to hire anybody else, doing so would have been a waste of money. This is 100% because of chatgpt. Many devs are hired by other devs and these people are aware enough to know they don't need you anymore. Other developers have been spoiled by…

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As you said, in the last 6 months you use ChatGPT instead of outsourcing. What are the roles/positions that you don’t need anymore? In other words, what is the job that ChatGPT does for you now?

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by me_me_me »

constantcrying wrote: post #83
grugagag wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To be honest the far greater threat to your job is an increase in the ammount of programmers plus an increase in individual productivity That productivity increase by a level of magnitude is from AI tools or ChatGpt. The field is gonna get a whole lot more competitive, the salaries will suffer as well but maybe it will be for the better routing jobs to other fields other than programming. What Im worring most is in…

The people who have the most to gain from an increase in productivity are those who already have lots of experience and are willing to embrace new technologies.

... or people who don't need that experience to now compete against you.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by naveen99 »

BizarreByte wrote: post #15

With any luck a couple of lawsuits over copyright will completely nerf this ML/AI stuff in the bud and you won't have to worry as much.

LOL, I don’t think so. If LLM’s fail, they will have to fail on their own. probably programmers will get more competition from non-programmer humans leveraging LLM’s. but we have been saying everyone should learn to code for a while. Job on its way to being accomplished.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Post by grugagag »

tomlue wrote: post #72

Some developers derive career stability by being the only person who understands a complex system at a company. This 'trick' has been undercut in a huge way. It is much easier for another dev to understand your complex system now, which makes you replaceable.

Yes and no. There’s a lot of latent ot tacit knowledge about said system that chatgpt can’t ever guess but can bullshit about it a lot, throwing you to nearly endless deadend alleys.

But I agree in a sense , for certain scenarios hiding behind complexity will become less and less of a cover.

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