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Ask HN: Is everyone becoming a Product Manager these days?

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Re: Ask HN: Is everyone becoming a Product Manager these days?

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Shit like this is why people mock programmer brain and they are right to .

plenty of engineers have created successful companies on their own. On the other hand there's literally never been a non-technical founder who created something because by definition if you don't have the technical skills you can't build something, even if you have a great idea or problem to solve

What a ridiculous statement.

Why did I read the comments section...

Re: Ask HN: Is everyone becoming a Product Manager these days?

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People like to point to shining examples of Product Managers adding huge amounts of value. They are like Unicorns, and you will probably never encounter one in your career. Moreover, many companies are unable to setup a hiring pipeline that can reliably detect such individuals. So hiring for the role Product Manager is a net negative for most companies, because their odds of hiring a good one are basically 0. The res…

How is it difficult? Each product has a metric / OKRs behind it and if it doesn't then something is really really wrong.

Can hardly see an argument of everyone pivoting based on loudness and charisma. People would usually fail here on analytics, design or even technical questions of data flows.

Re: Ask HN: Is everyone becoming a Product Manager these days?

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In my experience, product management is an innate skill that is very hard to learn or teach. This is not to say that you can’t get better at it, just that it doesn’t involve the sorts of skills that are easy to teach in a classroom, it is more about real world experience. In order to be good at it, you need to be well organized, good at talking to people, have a good intuition for design, and a strong ability to unde…

Basically my experience as well, what I'd like to add is that the best product managers I've ever worked with had good taste and also an intuition to balance good taste with the constraints of where they are working at, both market and company. On the other hand I've seen atrocious data-oriented PMs which get so hyper-focused on metrics that completely lose the sense of taste, their vision is completely clouded by wh…

I think sometimes we preach metrics & data too much...

Re: Ask HN: Is everyone becoming a Product Manager these days?

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People like to point to shining examples of Product Managers adding huge amounts of value. They are like Unicorns, and you will probably never encounter one in your career. Moreover, many companies are unable to setup a hiring pipeline that can reliably detect such individuals. So hiring for the role Product Manager is a net negative for most companies, because their odds of hiring a good one are basically 0. The res…

How is it difficult? Each product has a metric / OKRs behind it and if it doesn't then something is really really wrong. Can hardly see an argument of everyone pivoting based on loudness and charisma. People would usually fail here on analytics, design or even technical questions of data flows.

Product quality is difficult to measure. Even if it was easy to measure (as you seem to claim), it's difficult to know if a improvement in metrics is attributable to the product manager or some other factor. There are a lot of forces driving product evolution.

Contrast that to metrics around demand generation. If you have a sales team, they can work "how did you hear about us" into the conversation. Maybe you are tracking where redirects to the website come from. It's much easier for a marketer to prove that 100 prospects got in touch as a result of something they did, than for a product manager to prove the product is better because of them.

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