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Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#81
Depends on what you mean by doing good.

I was smart, but didn't care and never studied a single day until I dropped out as a HS sophomore.

I did go back to a CS program at some point but did not graduate.

But I've always learned stuff on my own.

I have zero degrees today, but I have a better position and salary than a lot of people my age with masters.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#82
As all things in this world, school has changed. I bailed out of high school with a GED because I was skipping so many classes, I was going to fail. I went into college for a short while (Architect), but the lure of employment and the wages that came with it were stronger.

After working a few jobs in Silicon Valley, I built an IT business in Santa Cruz, CA and have now ran it for about 30 years. I took any job that I found something in it I wanted to learn. I wrote database software, installed wiring, servers, eventually telephone systems, security cameras...

Now I work part time in a very rural part of coastal Northern California. I have signed up for and completed quite a few remote education-type courses, I study whatever subject interests me.

So my poor schooling, going from an almost straight-A to almost flunking out entirely had little impact, and now I school myself to my desire.

Do what you want to do, and just go for it. And forget what other people tell you, that is them, you are you :)

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#83
I graduated engineering school with a 2.7 GPA, I had failed 2 classes twice, finally passed with a B/D on the third try (heat transfer/stats), another class I failed once and passed the second time with a B, fluids.

I've since had a great career, and if the folks in my graduating class are any indication, GPA doesn't really predict career success. It has more to do with the stuff in this Ted talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJsdqxnZb0

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#84
I was bad in school during the first 6 years or so. Then something started to click and I got better, especially at languages. I was not putting a lot of work in but was still being able to graduate my technical college with the perfect grades, my German exam work had not a single mistake in it.

Curiously, my feeling is that even years after things still got easier for me. I am convinced that a particular kind of intelligent person might just take longer to get adjusted to the school system. For some this will also happen after school.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#85
Yep. Didn't do well in high school and grades never really were a motivating factor in my CS courses in Uni. I remember sitting there for hours staring off into space because I was presented with the task of writing java data structures by hand on an exam and just never completing it, largely because I couldn't get past the feeling it was pointless; I already proved I was more than capable of writing the code in the various assignments, but the overall grade was heavily biased toward 3 hour exams.

But at the same time I haven't exactly had much career success, and have been failing upward for 10 years easy. Have been fired or laid off from more jobs than most people have had.

Looking back, and maybe looking forward, I might try and become an electrician or something and try coding as a hobby.

There's something uniquely burnout inducing about the process of trying to find another job in tech.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#86
I was never very good in high school. If I tried very hard, my best score would always be close to 80%. I never liked being told how and what to study, that kind of environment never fit well with me.

Uni was a much better fit, being able to study and learn in my own time, and on my own way. I still remember my first two years at Uni. Barely passing almost all tests/exams with a 50%-60% despite spending many hours at night in the library to study before going home to do the same. I felt like an imposter faking in class.

One day, after struggling so much, I realised that trying to force myself to learn. Instead, try to understand the material by experimenting with it.

If I was given a piece of code, I would modify it and re-write it from scratch in my own way. Slowly my grades started to improve, but most importantly I began to enjoy Uni much more. I met many people, and found friends to have fun and muck around with.

Looking back now that I'm working full time, it's like a fond memory where I did many embarrassing things with friends.

I'm still early in my career, but almost all my skills/knowledge I've developed came from me experimenting and exploring in my own way in my own time.

I'm not sure if this helps, but that's my rough journey.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#88
School sucked. It sucked because I had ADHD and couldn't operate well in that environment. It sucked because I was a voracious reader and autodidact even at a young age, 3 reading levels ahead of everybody else. In grade school, I frequently knew what was being taught because I'd read about it in books. This exacerbated the ADHD stuff. I could fake my way through tests and essays without reading the assignments. By high school, I had no studying discipline. I was completely unprepared or suited for college, so I spent most of my time in school partying, playing guitar and chasing girls.

My confidence in myself improved after school ended. I can learn almost any topic if I'm allowed to learn it my way, but in school you have to learn it their way. It's not enough to know the answer, you have to show your work, and your process needs to be right. Once you're a grown up, none of that matters anymore.

I was always in trouble. My daughter asked me about this recently: why? Why were you always in detention or the vice principal's office? I couldn't answer. I think I was just a noisy distraction for the kids and teachers.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#89
School (and Uni) are designed to train you to become academics.

So naturally, anyone aspiring to be other than that, will be screwed to various degree.

I'm a certified genius. A member of Mensa.

But I never do well in school.

I do train myself to have the following attitudes : grit, honesty, initiative (note: different than assertive), be a helpful (friendly) person.

People consider me to be a rather successful person. Personally I don't think I am yet.

I taught my children the same, and I said these to them:

"I would never demand good grades from you. I won't even mind you skipping school/uni classes.

I do however expect you to always try your best. And try to develop your network of friends."

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