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Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

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Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

#81
There’s a book called Orbiting the Giant Hairball which might help reframe the relationship between you and your employer. The kind of experience you’re looking for is exceedingly rare, to the point where it’s detrimental to search for it. If you’re in a good position you may be better off figuring out how to change yourself than to change what is around you.

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

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post #19

You will not find meaning in executing other people's dreams

Who needs meaning when you can have fun?

I believe everyone ultimately does .. it’s like asking why people “settle”? Meaning IMHO ends up being more rewarding than fun

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

#83
Maybe you can try to find the same experience you had at your HFT job outside of your career? Can you work to find a group of people who you can work with to build something interesting per your own desires rather than a bossman's? Or do you need someone to set your constraints for the good times to happen?

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

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Who chases their career to fulfill their dreams? "My dad growing up told me that you know work hard, get a good job, you know, make money. Nobody has fun working and then you can have fun with the money you make." -Jimmy Yang

But to your last point, yes, just not in the private sector. Join the dark side and work government contracts, the pay is decent and you get exactly what you're asking for. You get to be technical, unless you want to be management...boring, you work your obligatory 40 hours and when you're done for the day that's it, go home. Everything's classified and no one bothers you when you're clocked out. People are competent and everyone wants to get the product out and the mission done without office politics. TBH superchill environment for senior engineers.

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

#85

Stop chasing dreams instead. Life is not a Hollywood movie. Not everyone is going to get a famous billionaire. Adjust your expectations to reality, and stop thinking so highly of yourself, stop judging others. Assume the responsibility for the things that happen in your life. It is kind of annoying to read your text, it is always some external thing that "happened" to you, and it is always other people who are not up…

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Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

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I’m a medical doctor and I wish I became I software engineer instead.

I'm an optometrist but I wish I would have become a software engineer (or at least have discovered programming prior to graduating optometry school :/).

I got advanced with Microsoft Excel over the years, then started learning Python in my first clinic after graduation to automate some stuff the front desk was doing every day. Didn't know anything -- what exactly Python was (my friend told me to learn it based on what I wanted to do), what front end or back end were, etc. But I started and quickly fell in love with it. A little over two years later, I'm still programming almost every day, currently building a full stack JS-based web app of my own with modern technologies (T3 stack, MUI design system, etc.), and have already built a couple others. Still loving it as much or possibly more than when I first fell in love with it, as I become more “powerful”, capable, and efficient with experience/knowledge.

I realized that while I always enjoyed learning about biology/science (and actually just anything… math, graphic design, etc. etc.), and even optometry while in school, the actual day-to-day life of a clinician is not very enjoyable for me, or at least not the right fit for me. In a more pessimistic light, you could describe it as a combination of adult babysitting and assembly line work, while also often being behind schedule. My mind/sense of satisfaction is much more suited for engineering type work -- continuous learning, problem solving, detail-oriented work, etc. (but it took me time and experience to discover that). That reality stressed me out for a while, having “wasted” all of that time and money, but I’ve been learning to handle that while also realizing that I can still make big career changes if I put in the required hard work (which I've done before) to make them happen.

I'm in my early 30s, and while I do plan on fulling transitioning to SWE in the near-ish future, having optometry as a default or backup is actually nice. It pays well overall, is decently flexible, and both of those things allow me to currently be part-time while I work on my programming. Not only that, but I now have a unique perspective and experience, and am the "expert" in the optometry niche, so I know where there are good opportunities for new software AND intricacies about how the UX should be for the end user. The app(s) I’m currently working on are optometry-oriented, and having full control over building them feels very rewarding so far. Also, if I do make the transition to SWE and I end up not being able to find positions or settings that end up being satisfying enough to make the career change feel worth it ("the grass is always greener...", "you don't know what you don't know", reality checks, etc.), I can default back to optometry and continue doing my programming on the side either perpetually or until the right thing does come up.

Main points: if you became a doctor, you can (still) become a SWE. Your time becoming a doctor was highly unlikely to be completely wasteful. Just another fyi personal perspective/experience. I love programming.

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

#87

Stop chasing dreams instead. Life is not a Hollywood movie. Not everyone is going to get a famous billionaire. Adjust your expectations to reality, and stop thinking so highly of yourself, stop judging others. Assume the responsibility for the things that happen in your life. It is kind of annoying to read your text, it is always some external thing that "happened" to you, and it is always other people who are not up…

Hmm I guess what I said can come off as condescending. But I was trying to condense all of my experience in less than 4k words, and I guess I came out sounding a bit like an asshole based on your comment. Trust me, I don't think that highly of myself. Even when I was getting good perf reviews, I constantly was critical of myself as not doing a good enough job. I had bad burn out for several years and it made me feel…

I am glad to hear that. I was hard with you because I've seen too many good people enter into similar cycles and some of them never come back.

Yeah, I don't know if this at-your-face style of communication could help you, but if everyone was just parroting feel-good stuff at you, I had to try the intervention style.

That said, maybe this particular company is not good for you. I once worked in an ad-tech company and my life was miserable because I could not come to terms with what I was helping to build. Maybe you despise the product you helping build, idk. Do some soul-searching, and if that's the case, changing jobs can help a bit, as long as you don't see it as a miracle potion. Generally, the stuff you do can produce mostly marginal improvements, don't expect giant improvements on any single change you do. And above all, tread lightly. Maybe change teams first?

But man, please, just take a breath, and care less about stuff that actually doesn't matter that much in the great scheme of things.

I really don't know what will help you, but just try a lot of stuff till something works, and all the while try to see the big picture. Man, we are just another animal on this small rock in a very non-remarkable planetary system, orbiting a very average star. Life is fucking short, try to enjoy it.

Money is good, but it is only as good as the use you make of it, and you have to be careful because overly indulging in material desires gets old fast, and then you see yourself surrounded by junk that just depresses you. Try to avoid that trap.

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

#88

I’m a medical doctor and I wish I became I software engineer instead.

I have a very good friend who is a medical doctor and swapped to engineering. He bought some books and self studied. He's now working his dream job at a biotech startup trying to extend life, using both of his skills simultaneously. Based on what he tells me I'd say there is a large demand for the niche crossover of M.D. + SWE in the startup space right now.

Love hearing that. Inspiring!

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

#89

I’m a medical doctor and I wish I became I software engineer instead.

I'm an optometrist but I wish I would have become a software engineer (or at least have discovered programming prior to graduating optometry school :/). I got advanced with Microsoft Excel over the years, then started learning Python in my first clinic after graduation to automate some stuff the front desk was doing every day. Didn't know anything -- what exactly Python was (my friend told me to learn it based on wha…

Thanks for this! It’s inspiring and I feel I can relate. My specific field is amenable to shift work (e.g. working certain night or weekend shifts, and then being off during the week), which I think will help.

Re: Ask HN: Tired of being a software engineer, what next?

#90
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It kind of still is in terms of compensation. And many equate promised land with compensation unfortunately.

It was more than money. Back then the crazy Faang pay bump was less of a thing. But the chance to be trusted with broad autonomy and work with brilliant people on projects that could help billions of people is something very special. People were drawn there by 20% time back in the day. This is barely a thing now, but the difference seems to be covered by the increased FAANG bucks.

By “20% time” do you mean the recommendation to spend 20% of your time learning?
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